Settling the 'what is mental illness' debate

So in my life ive known many people who expressed having ideas, beliefs, experiences etc that would easily be considered psychotic if it was me saying them to a psychiatrist.
But its not really about that. The thing that seperates mental illness from normalcy is if it impacts your life or functioning negatively or those around you. If you can’t think straight enough to do things that need doing, or are a danger to yourself or others because of it etc, then it could be considerd mental illness.
People who say absolute bats**t stuff on the regular or are super sad or anxious etc, but can go about thier days in a relatively healthy way without medicine, are not considered to have a mental disorder or illness. Especially since when i went off meds for a bit and was still well, they had to discharge me from mental health support. Even though sza is meant to be a permanent lifelong disorder.
This is just my perspective. Im sure its not quite as simple as that. But when most normies ive known are just as insane as me at times, if what i said in this post isn’t true, then who decides what is normal/sane/healthy? Then all of humanity would be considered insane i reckon haha.
Theres no criteria in the dsm for normal as far as I’m aware. But pdocs and therapists probably study at uni/college what healthy minds are like too i guess.
Thoughts?

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Unhealthy brain.

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:smile: true haha. That about sums it up. I probably should have titled the post as ‘WHEN is it mental illness’ not ‘what’ is mental illness. Because i dont understand the brain science stuff.

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True dude sorry I didn’t read the whole article just read the title and put my answer lol sorry if it doesn’t answer your original question

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All G my dude. :slightly_smiling_face:

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If what i said isn’t true, then the government would have to round up all people who ever expressed conspiracy theories :smile:. And medicate them.
Like people who think Australia doesnt exist or that birds are spies and all that haha.

I’ve always thought that your degree of functioning determines how mentally ill you are. Yeah, I agree that there’s so called normies who buy into conspiracy theories, have weird thoughts and act weird. But they put up a good front and function relatively normally so they’re not seen as mentally ill.

I also agree that it’s not always a simple thing to determine if someone is mentally ill. I believe mental illness is on a spectrum with people with an extremely obvious mental illness on one end and maybe the neurotic introvert who picks his nose in traffic and talks to himself but goes to work each day and lives relatively normally as seen by society on the other end.

It’s not that simple because someone’s mental state can be fluid and they might be severely mentally ill at one point and maybe function a lot better down the line. or someone who is mentally ill with schizophrenia but has a girlfriend/ boyfriend and has friends and is very social.

Personally, I was very social in the middle of my illness when I was in my thirties and functioned very highly. Now, I tend to avoid social interaction and am content to be alone. Who’s knows how I’ll be in the future? Like I said, some people are obviously mentally ill and other people are considered normal and no one would consider them mentally ill.

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Yeah i agree with everything you said man. I was just saying blanket statements to get my point across so that my post isnt a book length :smile:. Im certain there would be many variables and in life everyone is different.
But im a bit confused about how it could be a spectrum for people who are diagnosed with sz/sza? I understand that the levels of severity are on a spectrum for us, but we still are considered to be mentally ill if we have a particularly bad level of functioning at one point in our lives and are diagnosed officially. Doesnt matter if you get off meds and stay sane for the rest of your life, we are still sz/sza according to psychiatry. Unless of course you disagree with sz being a permanent mental disorder that can’t be cured?
And my original argument was meant for just when the label of mental illness is appropriate i guess. I wasnt considering things like how most people with depressive disorders etc usually dont have for the rest of thier lives.

Also, im just spitballing here. Im not educated. I left high school in year 10 and haven’t studied. And i wagged about 70% of my school days of high school and didnt learn anything on the days i was actually there.
I dont know a lot of things that are considered simple by others.
So no one should listen to me haha. :laughing:

My dad likes to say “is anyone really normal?” And thats probably true.
We are just more on the extreme end and it affects us in a big way with our daily functioning and participation in society.

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What is a brain fart? :thinking:

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To me at the moment it is having no control. Feeling things or people are personally after me or Controlling me specifically. It is having no choice to what I am thinking and or believing. Voices in my thoughts against my will. My conscience is being controlled. My will is controlled or destroyed for a personal reason. Believing I am a prophet to all mankind. And then taking medication and all these distractions go away and make no sense. Like super pills that give me reasoning against all these distractions. Pills that give me control and fascination at what I was believing. My will becomes all mine and my conscience and thoughts and feelings. Nothing is personally being done to me. When taking antipsychotics clear up my thinking and feeling I take it I was dealing with mental illness.

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Its when you fart so intensely it comes out your nose

:triumph:

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I thought a brain fart was when you go blank for a few moments mid-conversation.

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@Dude1 yeah true. And all of those experiences you described would definitely make functioning normally a lot more difficult. Making it a mental health problem.
Sorry you went through those awful things. I myself also have been through super similar stuff. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Is a brain fart implying stinking thinking or something?

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@Dude1 dont think so. I think its just like because a fart is a sort of brief embarrasing moment socially? And so is when you forget what you were saying half way through a sentence? Thats what i think anyway.

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