I contributed to a similar thing over here. It was the Australian Schizophrenic Research Bank but I think itâs changed names. Did a round of tests and took some blood and did MRIâs. Iâm glad to hear other countries are doing it as this research and basic tools are there for all in research to have a look at. I would hope they are linked worldwide which would be best outcome.
I would imagine some major breakthroughs in diagnosis at least in the next decade the way things are going.
In most of the articles I have written on this web, I try to clarify and prove that,nothing about the essential nature of the whole SZ condition is known except diagnosing a symptoms and call them a symptoms of sz , and the negative results of the experimental treatment that do not achieve sustainable recovery even to a few hours of a single day
In any medical reference or within a specialized scientific article,there is no clear mention about the essential nature of the condition itself that matches both of what the citizen feels inside himself or/ matches its actual reality whose existential characteristics are embodied in the human nature
All the problems that related everything associated with understanding and explanation the Sz condition are due to that ,all the researchers in the field of SZ who use all methods of objective science,their experiments does not and will not led to knowledge the essential nature of the health condition be called SZ ,because the theoretical idea (s) about it in the first place are not correct from all possible perspectives !
It is impossible to know a single true related the sz condition (whatever you say,think or act ) unless you first know the essential nature of the condition in itself (isolated and independent about the mental health condition and the somatic health condition of the sample !)
I think youâre wrong.
In the case,if you believe that,the sz condition ITSELF is a disease ;
You will not know what the disease is ,pathogen,the disease substance , the pathological changes,mood of effects,the expected reactions on the theoretical /practical leaves,You will not know the antidote that cures this disease (if sz is a disease in the first place
As i say,nothing is known about the sz by the methods of science except its symptoms and the results of treatment !
The belief that there is a real disease condition embodied in the humanâs nature called schizophrenia is just a delusional belief !
In actual reality ,literally with absolute certainty that does not accept any doubt /fallacy ,there is no such a disease condition called schizophrenia embodied in the personâs nature that gives birth to all the diagnostic symptoms (positive,negative,cognitive âŚetc !
Actually and above all theoretical hypothesis ,there is a new higher psychological health condition of a non-human psychic entity (s),that suddenly emerged and embodied in the inner nature of the person in the 20âs of age ,that is arbitrarily called the term "hallucination "
objectively ,the hallucination(whatever it is ) is the real only existed condition in the human nature ,while the schizophrenia is just a word be said by the Dr. without it have a real condition in the human nature
The ONLY case,state,condition,event, process or phenomenon that be felt,perceived,deal with ,coexists with and interacting with by the person is the condition be called hallucination , the hallucination inner condition cannot be diagnosed by any external observes ,while the condition be called schizophrenia is just a word be said by the external observers to give a diagnostic name to the visual symptoms that they can notice them -no more
In this sense,an internal ideological ,cognitive,cultural,religious and social Conflict (fighting) will arise between the original (legal) psychological user (human being) And the new psychological user (s) (parasite,visitor,intruder and illegitimate ) who is called hallucination -randomly
the personal suffering and all types of symptoms /difficulties will arise as the final outcome of the result of the internal ideological struggle between the opposites
Itâs a real disorder no matter what you think. Yes thereâs different symptoms amongst different people but thereâs enough things that are similar to give it a classification amongst everything else.
I think your just talking in circles @panoramic202 and not sure itâs of any use to other members.
What is difference and similarity between the contradictory classifications ;
1- schizophrenia is a mental illness
2-Schizophrenia is a mental disorder
schizophrenia is a brain disease
3- Schizophrenia is a chronic genetic disease
4-Schizophrenia is an inherited health condition
5-Schizophrenia is the sum total of personal behavioral characteristics of affected individuals
do that without talking in a circles, to show the different between
the acquired illness and inherited disease
There is nothing contradictory about those the first 4 items. It can be all of those things.
Youâve edited your post so now I donât know if my initial comment is accurate anymore. Nonetheless:
I believe that the predisposition for schizophrenia is USUALLY inherited through a bad gene combination, and environmental triggers often set it off. Not even both identical twins always develop schizophrenia though , so obviously there are environmental factors that play into it as well. No one knows for certain what causes schizophrenia however.
Your claim that there is no such thing as schizophrenia I definitely do not believe however.
Itâs possible that there may be a âsubclassâ of schizophrenia where people develop it through brain damage and other means that mimic the symptoms of schizophrenia even though the changes to their brains were caused by other means.
@panoramic202 is trying to help and itâs participating active in thinking about the sz, he is not wrong nor right but sees a different perspective.
From my point of view English is his second language
But
@Bowens
@rogueone
As long as thereâs sz symtoms in a person but they function they are not considered mentally ill, not even considered they are âhaving a real mentall illnessâ
Disfunctionality by societies standards = mental illness in some cases
For example
Alcoholism is a mentall illness for about 50 years now but alcohol is been around for thousands, it wasent considered MI before because people were not needed to be as productive as today, the demands for productivity compared to today was real different, same with tobbaco (pure tobacco is pretty less harmless than the fabricated one)
Effects of alcohol depends on the person, there is no absolute good nor bad.
Same with weed as a negative/ positive thing
Some mentall illnesses (even ones backed up by science) are limited by the period of that time
Illness is also a social construct in some cases. Is not the social advancements which is able to figure it out âonly nowâ. New itâs not always better
As for sz, I donât think you guys have ever been around people less inteligent and with uneducated backgrounds for too long.
If you been youâll notice an incredible amounts of delusional and paranoic thinking, a lack or comportament organization, thoughts racing and language limitations. INCREDIBLE amount.
Youâll be surprised how those people didnât have a breakdown and they are making the majority of this planet!
What I am saying by this is that, from a different perspective, its not the symtoms of the illness which is THE illness. The symtoms are not essential to be labeled schizophrenic
Delusions, voices and speech disorganization, etc its not equal to having the illness schizophrenia but the Disfunctionality behind it is
Sz its the degree to which the person is affected by the symtoms and thatâs âseen-by-othersâ (by the people) and if the person âcanât keep it togheterâ as everybody âdoesâ itâs label sz or depressed or depends on what is seen by others.
The label is agreed upon as one or another based on collectives observations and agreements or predominant symtoms which are to accentuated to fly unnoticed, but thatâs the key 'itâs seen by others and itâs disfunctional to others, itâs also conditioned by society.
If those three condition were not met the person wonât be label sz.
You can observe the symptoms of MI are often overlapping
Thatâs what @panoramic202 I think was saying.
I made it more simple and Iâm looking from a different perspective to think about the illness, itâs not my personal opinion, I have none on sz, thereâs to much uncertainty behind it.
Think about it this way
we think that schizophrenia-like illnesses are on a spectrum
But we separeted and isolated the spectrum to just sz-like illnesses.
The spectrum should include normal behaivours Togheter with sz symtoms.
As long as thereâs a paranoic trait in a person there is a big probability everyone has it. Itâs evolutionary but we have it to different degrees
@panoramic202 @Bowens @rogueone
Kinda like this
1= very little to no sz
5= voices at night and paranoia in stress periods
10= full sz, symptoms, needs medicine to function and functions poorly
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 <<spectrum. Where are you? 
Panoramic used to be a user called Abat. He has been talking about schizophrenia like this since 2014 
I know because of his distinct writing style.
âBut first the questionsâ
You are supposed to understand why the original author of the article choosing the following sentence " Schizophrenia is A mental disorder " ?
He tries to show that the condition in its core principle is a disorder in the property of mindâs rationality ,which responsible to aware,test,understand and distinguish between what is real or what is unreal (actually things/events and imaginary events )
Second,he asks ,is this disorder arising from effects or intervention of genetic factors,or due to have schizophrenia
Why did the author not start with the following sentence ;schizophrenia is a mental disease (illness ) ?
Because he knows that,it is required to prove the existence of a pathological change in the mindâs substance that precedes the disorder existentially and causes it functionally !
We know, he knows ,he has not the enough information about the pathological factor itself ,the pathological change in the mindâs substance , the moods of effect, the mechanism of interaction and many things to prove the reality of such a disease or illness
The disease or illness,it must be a change in the structure (component) followed by disorder in the functional productions
So,do not tell a story to show that all my questions is the same !
When you say "schizophrenia is a mental disorder "
the question:
what do you know about this schizophrenia itself?
From what you were said,it is just a group of symptoms ( P,N and cognitive âŚetc)
So ,if we replace the (group of symptoms) instead of using word (schizophrenia ,
Your statement be written like that:
A group of symptoms is a mental disorder !
As you read,it is irrational ,illogical and non-objective statement ,because this sentence is just a diagnostic description Not a description for an internal logic of the condition itself
Because ,the effect of changing in the rationality of the mind is creates a group of functional symptoms which diagnosed by the Dr and all external observers
while an independent of a group of symptoms cannot create a United Disorder /disease be called sz or other
So,you must write the statement as following;
using the word (schizophrenic factor) instead to use the word (schizophrenia )
SO
The schizophrenic factor causes a mental disorder in rationality of the mind in the first place(this is correct and corresponds to the actual reality ), with or without intervention/ effect/contribute ,participate, involve or risks OF the genetic factors or the external factors (the subject that you search about to prove it or void it
Put in your mind the fact that ,the schizophrenic factor is the psychotic factor or the thing that you call it hallucination (the existential cause and functional cause of all diagnostic symptoms )
I think schizophrenia can be called a disease. But I do not think it is a disorder.
The endless attempts of the current generation have failed to prove that the schizophrenia condition is a disease (whose substance can be determined no matter how different the means of scientific proof are) !
Therefore ,every statement that is written about the sz being a disease is just a phonemic hypothesis (rhetorical sermons /speech without subject )
To understand the fact;
Diabetes is a genetic disease related to a pathogenic gene
Corona is a viral disease in relation to a pathogenic virus
cholera is a bacterial disease related to the cholera bacteria
Poisoning by a drug,a snake or insect bits is considered a disease in relation to the toxic substance
But when you say that the schizophrenia condition is a disease
You do know or prove a pathogen or a disease substance to which the disease is attributed !
If you think that,you know the substance of the disease (like dopamine or else ),
you should know that it is possible to find the substance ( drug) of the antidote,regardless of whether the effect is temporary or permanent for life ,
but that not happen at all until now-whatever the dose or duration !
In order to relieve yourself of the hardship of following what I write about the things facts of sz condition
You must know /understand that ,the sz whose basic facts i describe is characterized by the presence of the Phonetic Emitter that everyone of you call it the hallucination ,and i do not give any attention to any diagnostic symptom that everyone of you talking about ,because it has no effect on the pathway of the condition itself
There are actual genetic diseases that DO cause schizophrenia. Even a vitamin deficiency can cause psychosis. In some cases, psychosis is lethal. If you donât give someone cortisol while they are having an adrenal crisis with psychosis, they can die. Psychosis is a condition of the brain and Iâm often surprised that people think it only happens in mental disorders. Psychosis in physical conditions have been documented for a while in medical literature.