i watched a documentary about the fight between Joe Fraser and Mohamed Ali and i have to say and no offence to black people that Joe Fraser was by far the better man and i am glad that he took him down a peg or two,
everyone goes on about Mohamed Ali but he wasn’t that big a deal, the real hero was and is Joe Fraser in my book.
the documentary is called ‘Thrilla in Manilla’
Didn’t Joe Fraser lose to him 2 times in a row after the thrilla in manilla?
idk but after hearing what was said in the documentary i have to say he was the better man, not just the better fighter, he made a fool of Mohamed in that fight but with good reason.
Ali deserves much respect. Perhaps Frasier does too but Ali was bold
he was a good fighter but what he did to Joe Fraser was not called for, it shouldn’t be psychological warfare like that pitting blacks agains whites is not on in my book and calling him a gorilla just really offended me, i mean how can he call him a gorilla, nobody should call him that, what gives him the right? its not fair.
Ali was brash and loud. His style of fighting was flashier than Frazier’s. It could be exciting watching Ali’s artistry in the ring. Ali was good at self promotion, and he could back up what he said. Joe Frazier was a great fighter, but he got knocked out fairly quickly by George Foreman. Ali knocked out Foreman. George Foreman was the type of fighter that Frazier had trouble with.
yeah i know what you are saying but those are not good qualities in my eyes, some times you need to be brought back down to earth, keep your feet on the ground not overblown ego’s and being a big mouth and all of that, i don’t see the need to be offensive, why get someone angry and throw them off of their game, the way i see it is that you would want both fighters at their best, nothing less.
Ali transcended his Sport. At one point in time he was the most recognized person on the Planet.
Forever and always…“The Champ”!
Why do you think Fraser was a better man? I think it would be impossible to determine the better man between the two… Ali was a leader in the black civil rights movement in his time and did a lot for black people. I rarely see Fraser ranked as a better fighter than Ali in polls or lists of the greatest fighters of all time.
I’m not taking away anything from Fraser and his accomplishments and any time I see interviews with Fraser on YouTube he seems like a genuinely funny, polite nice guy. But your opinion is valid to you but it’s just an opinion. Both fighters had good qualities that the other did not have. I don’t think Fraser was the better man than Ali and vice-versa. At the peak of Ali’s career he was the most recognized man in the world. I think he was a big deal.
ali was a big deal but if you watch that documentary its easy to see why Frasier is bitter about it to this day, he was seen as a white man even though he was black and he didn’t like that coming from his background,
Ali apologized later in life for calling Frazier a gorilla. He said back then it was all about one-upmanship…different era.
Ali was black. Fraser was black. The rules are different when two black people insult each other. In our times, it is OK for black people to call each other the n-word. But it’s a whole different story if a white man calls a black man that word.
yeah but still, thats below the belt even for a black man even worse than the ‘n’ word and i think he took it to heart, he probably heard it from white people at that time and then to hear it from one of your own must have been hard to take.
Have you ever called someone a name and then regretted it? Right.
Judge the man ‘on the whole of his life’…not on a footprint in time.
the only thing i am happy about is that he was beaten, he wasn’t undefeated, someone actually bet him bc to think that someone is perfect like that is wrong bc nobody on earth is perfect far from it actually, every body says how good he was and what a great fighter he was but he wasn’t that great
nobody is ‘that great’ 
If you don’t think you are the greatest, you won’t make it as a fighter.
should be banned then lol nobody should think they are the greatest, its just wrong in my book
hearing things like ‘i’m better than you’, you are rubbish, you can’t fight, do you want to fight, i’ll beat you, i’ll kill you and on and on and on is not a healthy thing to do,
As a Dr. Who fan I have only two words to say to you: Moisturize me. 
You answered your own question daydreamer. Ali wanted every advantage he could get. I don’t know if boxers in our time talk to each other in the ring still but back in Ali’s time it wasn’t like what he was a doing was a big secret. Whoever the commissioner of boxing was at the time did nothing about it so it wasn’t like Ali was breaking any rules.
I saw Ali interviewed. When he talked in the ring his goal was to make his opponent so angry that it became a personal matter for Ali’s opponent and he would get so angry that he would lose his cool and let his emotions get the better of him and let his anger effect his game.
Hey, we are talking about two grown men who were professionals. When Ali talked he " Talked the talk and walked the walk". By talking he was taking a huge risk by making a Six foot 210 lb trained boxer angry. But Ali was on his own in the ring and he was ready to faces the consequences of his behavior. But his risks payed off with a long successful career.
It’s a contact sport. Gentlemen don’t play contact sports, especially in America.