I’m never gonna get to talk about ‘collective subconscious’ at the dinner table

I’m talking about Carl Jung. Who I know I need to read, (it’s hard for me).

I’m also talking about how maybe some people have an ‘unexplained sadness’ because they can almost ‘hear’ or ‘feel’ the cries of those in third world countries going hungry…

Or practically feel and detect the pain in how we currently raise our meat supply…

Its macabre, but I learned from seeing my thinking in writing - that I MUST say grace at the table.

we aren’t religious (thats my excuse for losing time on this) but I’d be excellent at it - with how my head, and even maybe med mix are currently configured.

@labratmat - bc we’ve delved into this once before.

@NotSeksoEmpirico - bc you ‘enjoy’ Big picture stuff.

@Ninjastar - bc I think you want to help me learn more; and or gain confidence on vegetarianism.

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On a light note with pandemic fears inside me, I’ve been rehearsing the song ‘don’t fear the reaper‘… I historically never listened to poetry in my melodies but I feel something real about the lines:

‘the seasons, don’t fear the reaper; not do the wind, the sun, and the rain; we can be like they are.’

Maybe I also need more nature in my life.

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I’m prejudiced against Carl Jung because my first pdoc told me he genuinely believed he was the reincarnation of Carl Jung. He prescribed me antidepressants that made me absolutely bonkers. Did not like the guy.

Vegetarianism isn’t hard for me. If I eat meat, I become violently ill, almost to the point of needing the hospital. It has been a great deterrant. The trick is not to eat fake meat substitutes, because they all taste just enough like meat to make you keep craving it. Instead, go for dishes that emphasize the natural flavors and spices of plants. After 7 years vegetarian, I did not have meat cravings until I started eating the impossible burger meat. It tastes just enough like meat to make me miss eating meat.

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Thanks for taking time to write back! Hope it was cool to include you… didn’t want to come across as too needy. : ).

Also it’s funny that you mentioned the brand ‘Impossible’, bc it’s on the Starbucks menu and I tried the sausage. And couldn’t tell the difference.

I think I have the mindset in place, but the negative symptoms(some may see it as laziness) are what hold me back to date.

To use another Psych-101 reference is that I have a lot of Cognitive Dissonance with how I make my life choices.

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IMHO if you follow a vegan diet and many of my fb friends did, then this has led me to believe that after a couple of years they all end up depressed. They supplement with B12 but I can only guess that the body doesn’t synthesize it the same way as eating meat does.

Then they go on antidepressants of which millions of animals died for in testing these drugs negating the compassion that they often started veganism for.

The fact is that even if you are vegan then animals and insects still die to bring the grains and legumes to the plate through the devastating pesticides killing trillions of insects and the food chain in the animals around them.

To exist on this planet creatures will die. It is a fact and whether you prefer not to kill cows, sheep, chickens etc. is a preference many choose to avoid killing, thinking their conscience is clear. It is a denial of existence and is a sentimentality based on compassion for those specific animals, but alas it is all in vain.

If you don’t want to eat the creatures bred into existence for the sole purpose of eating then that is your choice and I don’t begrudge you for it. I used to be a vegetarian for a over a decade, but I am no longer because it is smoke and mirrors and to me pointless.

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I see you’re decidedly cheerful about it all!!

Kidding aside, thanks for the cases/anecdotes about the depression developments. That’s something I can now ask google today or in the future… it’ll stick to me, bc irl this stuff is too negative to talk about.

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My evidence of a link between depression and veganism is anecdotal. Apparently those who omit any specific food group are more likely to experience depression according to the studies.

I feel better eating meat personally even if I don’t like the killing, but who does?

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When I first fell ill in 2018 I felt like all my boundaries with the external world had gone down and I experienced a massive surge in my empathy levels. I came to believe that pain was not only universal, but that it constituted a single entity, a grey, viscose substance touching every soul on Earth. Is that what you had in mind?

Jung? I read him for the ride, very suggestive, but constructs like the collective unconscious, while having a heuristic value of sorts, are not terribly scientific.

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Admittedly my OP was written during my Caffeine blitz this morning. I may need to get back to you tomorrow morning… thoughts arise so much with coffee BUT every morning it’s similar type thoughts so that adds some validity.

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:crazy_face: Would you be prejudiced against Einstein if your pdoc claimed to be his literal reincarnation?

Idk because it never happened. I found him really grating, we barely studied Jung in psych class, I never got a chance to change my original perception.

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I think ninja was focused on speaking to me on that and maybe left herself, vulnerable by choosing the word ‘prejudice’ andTHAT is exactly something I like; risk. Something maybe I do, too.

My first and what had to seem inexplicable maybe was a post on ‘cognitive bias’ and it’s a real thing, that made me feel ok about some stuff… and she took it at face value and that is what was called for in the situation. @NotSeksoEmpirico, I guess I’m playing ball more of late! I like you too tho. : )

(Kumbaya session complete).

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No I definitely meant prejudiced. I hate Carl Jung for no reason other than my bad first impression. I’m definitely prejudiced.

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I did the same when I was vegan @Ninjastar. I didn’t like the substitute meats because they don’t taste good and they’re not good for you

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That’s kind of funny that you crave meats now. I’m sad it causes you pain, but as a story it is funny. For me it is the opposite. When I start craving meat I eat an Impossible burger and it goes away. Maybe it’s because you never chose this for yourself.

As for Carl Jung, I think he’s overrated. So many people worship him, and they can keep it up, but I’m not all that impressed.

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