Recently, I encountered some quotes on Twitter about Sigmund Freud having had an aversion to people with schizophrenia, and trying to avoid having us as patients.
Have you heard of this? What do you think of Freud, in light of this?
Some psychiatrists on Twitter seem to go out of their way to avoid engaging with me, and other people with mental illnesses. I wonder why this is, and if they are like this for a similar reason as Freud.
I have wondered, if Freud was a narcissist, and if pwNPD tend to be averse to us. What do you think?
Freud did nothing for serious mental illness and a lot of his stuff is redundant now. Itâs kinda scary how much influence he had on psychiatry and therapy but I think moving forward youâd hope we are well past it.
As too engagement it depends on whether your symptomatic. Itâs not the thing to reinforce delusions or acknowledge them so shrinks tend to ask questions than give answers.
Iâve a good relationship with my shrink from seeing them first in 1993. We get stuff done because heâs kind and attentive and is quite funny. Itâs good to have a good relationship with your mental health carer.
I donât consider anything of him basically. Yeah it was hugely influential which was just how it was back then because science hadnât caught up to the field. He ruined one of his friends promoting cocaine. It was nuts.
Most of his stuff was well before antipsychotics which were like the late 50âs/early 60âs. Scientific theory is littered with hacks and Freud honestly was one in my opinion.
Why shouldnât psychoanalysis be helpful for us, also?
We are not wholly irrational, although symptoms often seem that way.
We can try to apply reason and analysis to symptoms, and analyze our lives, before the onset, and how people have engaged with us, since then, also, to try to figure out the nature of this condition, and why it occurs.
Because basically itâs mostly medicine now. If you donât respond to medications like the 20% your stuffed. No amount of talking is going to change the biochemicals in your brain.
Yeah medications are brutal. They really are but psychotherapy doesnât have a good record. Things like cbt do. Change your habits. Change your outlook and strategies to deal with things like hallucinations seems to have benefit.
What will talking do for you if you think the aliens are programming your brain?
CBT does sound helpful, although I havenât tried it. Changing how you think is helpful, even if you have thought insertions. How can you change how you engage with them?
If your not a talker like me then go in with a plan. I used to take notes early. I am not doing good on this med. I have these issues. What are my options?
I was very aggressive for better function and trying something different didnât scare me. Trouble was that sometimes I went backwards. I really did find it hard but eventually I found meds that worked.
Even then I struggled with the negatives so you have that as well. It all takes work so honestly you have to be knowledgeable about your options. You have to be prepared to listen to your doc if they are any good because itâs totally random but they might have a clue from other patients.
Itâs a marathon but you have to play the long game. Rate how your feeling. Is it worth changing if your not going good? Iâm not saying therapy isnât helpful because itâs really good for some so itâs worth exploring. Just donât stop your meds and keep goingâŚIt takes time to get it right for sure for most.
I donât hold with a lot of Freudâs teachings. I think he made too much of the unconscious mind, castration anxiety, and penis envy. I like his model of personality, but it doesnât predict anything or give us any real insight into what is going on with a person. You can say a person is experiencing castration anxiety, but does that give you a better insight into what a guy is likely to do? You would get a better prediction of his behavior if you said âhe was really pissed offâ.
According to Freud, boys have âcastration anxietyâ. Women have âpenis envyâ. Freud drew his conclusions by observing upper class women at a time when women were badly repressed. Behaviors that women were forced into because of their limited power in society were ascribed as âpenis envyâ by Freud.
âInterpretationâ is the most important word. Psychiatry proper never had any doubt that mental illness was a physical problem. There is an ongoing period of unknowing about mental illness. The psychanalysis/ psychotherapy period was really just a century of misguided data collection by liberal artists, so the higher order STEM thinkers could buy some time for science.
Take it easy on the guy. He was lauded and awarded and praised ans celebrated. Heâs like anyone that comes out of institutional society, he fit well into the scheme/plan while someone else who had a better idea but derailed the plan was rejected and made a bum.
Durkhiem had an anomie theory of mental illness. It doesnât explain all cases of schizophrenia, but I think some people become schizo because they exercise nonrational mental faculties, become unhealthy and poor and use drugs. An anomic breakdown. That could account for maybe half of sz cases. But âinterpretationâ will lead some people to completely disregard and argue against that idea. Anomic theory turns into âblame society, blame the world for your problemsâ