I am referring to genuinely gravely ill people going through a relapse.
I mean nurses have the right to a threat free working environment I suppose? But I think we have all either been (or have seen someone who has been) not in control of their actions due to illness.
I don’t want to start a big argument over this just healthy discussion
What are they going to charge them with? Being psychotic ? Impossible to bring a case against them I suspect so it would be a waste of time I think.
■■■■ the police. What are they going to do? Shoot us?
I just ask because some wards calls the cops on anything physical (at least that is what I perceived). I thought this was a pretty heartless policy - giving someone a criminal record when they are really ill
We ought to remember the victim in all this, and the right of other patients to a secure environment. I’ve been in hospital for over 3 months now and the last thing I need is to feel threatened by other patients.
That is a very valid point
I don’t think the police should be involved with the mentally ill. They are completely inept in that respect and statistics on police killing the mentally ill will show that. When I was on the ward they had plenty of measures like guards, seclusions rooms, restraints, and chemical restraints to take care of people that got violent.
I think the answer to this question greatly depends on if the officers are armed. And trained in de-escalation. My ward just used private security.
In mine they had no problem locking me up in a room by myself. I was always a danger to myself though. Never anyone else.
The wards I was in used seclusion and physical restraints for violent behaviour.
This was many years ago, but, in my case, they would call the police and lock me up in seclusion rooms and/ or tie me up in 5 point restraints. Either that, or give me a big dose of injectable Ativan.
And, I was never even violent. I just gave the staff a hard time.
Yes. Assault is a criminal act. It is up to the courts to determine if the assailants are not criminally responsible because they couldn’t form intent. Health care providers should not be denied the legal protections they are entitled to.
So people should go from psych ward to jail back to psych ward?
Calling the cops is ■■■■■■ up cause they’re already locked up in the place to deal with that behavior. So calling the cops just to give them a record is ■■■■■■ up.
If they’re a hazard to the people in the psych ward, absolutely.
I trashed a hospital once without even realising what had happened. I got taken by the Police to a secure forensic ward for a couple of weeks until I came to. I didn’t assault anyone but I definitely caused crimnal damage. I did not get charged for it though
You have to remember that people in Jail have rights to proper medical treatment, which in the US at least is not available for mental health treatment in the jail system, because it isn’t a hospital. Sending people from psych ward to jail would not only cause problems with a jail which is not medically equipped to care for acutely ill individuals, it would break the rights of those that committed the assault. There is a reason we have restraints and seclusion rooms. There is a reason where I live we have forensic wards and jail avoidance programs for the mentally ill, so that they aren’t sent to jail when acutely ill
I had a guy beat the crap out of me in a psych ward because he thought I had money I wasn’t giving to him when he demanded it. Cops came and picked up his medicated ass after it got loaded with a lifetime supply of Haldol. Not only could I care less if his rights were violated in jail, I rather hope they were. Hope he was violated, too. Not someone of use to society.
Ok, I got assaulted in the psych ward too. The guy got moved to a seclusion room. I respected that he was ill
They should only involve police if the victim presses charges otherwise it’s a waste of resources.