I have never smoked marijuana nor I have never used any other illegal drugs. I do not even know how these affect people. In my younger years there may have been some chances when marijuana may have been offered, but I declined always. Once I was on the Dutch cruise in Caribbean and there were some people, one person got stoned in Jamaica, I think that they brought it to the cruise ship and then smuggled to Tampa, Florida. I am against all illegal drugs.
I agree, that’s why I voted “no” on California Prop 64 — I mailed my absentee ballot a couple days ago. 
I wholeheartedly agree with jukebox I really think there are some major implications in the study and they’re producing results that profit big corporations that don’t want to see a hemp industry again, (such as dupont). We’re all pretty traumatized by an illness try adding a war to the mix and you have severe PTSD and you will most likely use pot.
I’m saying there is not enough proof, and this study was used to benefit pharmaceutical corporations not the people diagnosed with trauma and mental illness.
I don’t support the study and will make an effort to tell no one about it.
Back in 1996 I had an interesting discussion with some people in Sonora, Mexico, they commented that if for example marijuana is legalized prices of marijuana shall fall,which is exactly what these smugglers do not want, fascinating.
What are you basing this conclusion on?
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And I’ve known women who smoked during pregnancy that have literal (superbabies). Everything about Rachel the baby I knew at one time was accelerated and learning and was always in good spirit. I would never with this illness on anyone, and I wholeheartedly hope that she doesn’t get diagnosed.
This is all big pharma trying to stomp out the medicinal marijuana and hemp industry.
It’s obvious when they’re using figures like 500%
Howabout this, America-we’re 500% in debt and we should legalize weed and tax it and have a booming hemp industry that helps our maimed economy.
Our illustrious president, barak insane obama has spent more money that all of our past presidents combined. And we should be open to legalization and quit trying to demonize the hemp industry.
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So you’re saying if the findings are statistically significant, they are questionable? Usually, it’s the opposite, that if findings are statistically insignificant, that the results are thrown into question. 
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I’m saying that the whole study was blown out of proportion and there is no real way the study could even have been conducted because it wasn’t even in a controlled environment they’re just spitting gibberish and trying to demonize the hemp industry. Which is a very potentially good thing for my country. I vote for it’s legalization, and I’m not interested in the study and don’t consider it of any circumstance.
I’ve got a twist. What if it was actually the tobacco that people use with it that was causing the problem.
I went south really quickly after I started smoking cigarettes at 26 years old. Started smoking at 26, went south at 26.
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Well, opting to discount studies that don’t support your position is understandable, I guess. We all tend to do that, myself included.
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I mean we ALL can try to blame ourselves for getting this illness and dwell in the stink pit, or we can cope with the illness and stop trying to demonize an honest whole hearted industry that was stomped out by nylon and kevlar manufacturers. Hemp helps, and if you don’t smoke then fine you STILL could get schizophrenia.
So what I’m saying is that trauma is the main root of the psychotic break into schizophrenia. THe substance abuse is the panic phase of being mentally or and physically stomped out. This is a trauma related illness and has no genetic inheritance. No one else in my family has ever had this, but I’ve lived a very hard life and I feel that trauma is the main factor in getting this illness not substance abuse. SUbstance abuse precludes the psychotic break and continued substance abuse is (cliffhanging mental survival).
I just don’t think that pot does this to a person. Maybe I’m in denial, but it has helped me every time I’ve used it. It helps me cope continuous trauma from intense schizophrenic hallucinations. I have severe tactile and auditory hallucinations and get harassed all day and night. I use it to try to not become suicidal from all the beatings and the abuse they put on me. I have had PTSD since I was five, when a pittbull bit my face and ripped part of my right cheek off and I had to get two facial plastic surgeries to seal up my face and minimize the scar tissue. I was abused by my father and neglected a bit as a kid-so I ran away and joined the army august 2001. My basic training class photo was taken on september 10th, 2001.
Next day we were at war. I didn’t join for the war, I joined to get out of a bad house and get some college money. Plain simple truth. I have lots of issues lets say, but I don’t demonize something or say (oh it’s that god damned pot I smoked).
I have PTSD, a multiple diagnosis of manic depression and schizophrenia too. I think that maybe it’s not for everyone but it’s the same for drinking and tobacco.
I’m just not going to participate in something that demonizes the things that seem to help me.
But okay, I’ll talk about it. I won’t ignore it.
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The stress- vulnerability model incorporating environmental/psychological/social and genetic factors is the best model out there.
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Tell me more…
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I first heard voices when I got high at the movie theater. The guy behind me kept making fun of me and tried to intimidate me. Well that’s what I thought at the time.
I remember seeing on tv this guy saying that there is a 17,000 % profit margin in the drug trade, and that profit margin makes drugs unstoppable. If we legalized drugs that profit margin would go away. Granted, some of those drugs might fall into the hands of children, but that is happening already, and there are ways we could lessen that from happening, like maybe levying stiff fines for letting your drugs fall into the hands of children. Granted, that is not a perfect solution, but it is probably as good as the situation we have now.
If we legalized drugs drive by shootings on street corners would go away. There is a lot of larceny that is perpetrated by drug addicts. That would go away. A lot of muggings would go away. It would be easier to keep track of addicts and to keep them from overdosing if they weren’t doing drugs in the shadows.
We should provide drugs from the government for a nominal fee. We should designate specific places where drugs can be used. We could have social workers dropping by and keeping track of certified drug addicts.
The huge amounts of money in the drug trade are a strong impetus towards corruption. That would go away if we legalized drugs.
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No - people will always pay more for medications that have good independent research behind them and are manufactured in a safe way with proven processes. The same is not true of street drugs , legal or not.
This isn’t some conspiracy guys - this is real research from many different academics and clinicians around the world who have no funding from pharma companies.
Here is the research paper that goes with this story at the top of the thread:
Association between Alcohol, Cannabis and Other Illicit Substance
Abuse and Risk of Developing Schizophrenia: A Nationwide
Population Based Register Study
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I didn’t read all the posts on this topic, but it largely appears the pot/weed being discussed here are THC-dominant strains. No one is saying, “I smoked ACDC (20:1 ratio of CBD-to-THC) which led to my illness.”
My son was dabbling in THC-dominant pot and ecstasy when he became sz. But a year prior he had a traumatic brain injury. Who’s to say that some percentage who lean toward “getting high” have had one too many fights or football games, setting off some level of over-production of free radicals in the brain?
I don’t disagree with the study, but I don’t buy it hook, line and sinker, either. I don’t see different strains discussed in which there are variations in the non-psychoactive cannabinoids - vs. the psychoactive ones. That’s a HUGE qualitative aspect that’s significant to the cannabis industry, which is not elaborated on in the study.
Harvard had a study that stated that more factors including culture and peer influence being a factor which could lead to more substance abuse. Emotional trauma adding to the “danger zone” of susceptibility?
Cannabidiol (CBD) is patented (6630507) by the U.S. government as an antioxidant and neuroprotectant - something that is medically beneficial. THC has a less glamorous track record, so making a clear delineation between the strains of cannabis used in any study is something that needs to be studied and cleared up, vs. glaring and incomplete generalities about cannabis use.
This is why the term “medical cannabis” or “medical marijuana” is a gross over-simplification and leads to some problematic differences in the results. Anything with the grade of “medical” should show PRECISE amounts and kinds of active ingredients - as well as written specifics about which medical conditions benefit from which ingredients in what proportions.
On a personal note, my son stopped using “street pot” and alcohol on his own. All my nagging did nothing to compel him. I got him ACDC and Charlotte’s Web Hemp Extract and pure pharmaceutical grade CBD. Those all helped - starting at doses of 125 mg CBD/day, and going to 750 mg/day of CBD, he (went of psych meds) had 90% reduction of negative symptoms and 15% reduction of positive symptoms with NO side effects at all.
Unfortunately, CBD doesn’t stop the anosognosia, thus he stopped taking CBD (and pdoc meds). Now we’re working on Dr. Amador’s LEAP method for 2 months, with many improvements, yet not enough functionality. But off psych meds and the “brain fog” that goes with them, he seems to really be “working on himself” and slowly gaining some self-evaluation about his moods, and greater effort to be more grounded. (Nice anosognosia article here.) I don’t recommend going off meds. Add-in CBD to a well-being routine. Long-term consistency is key - its not an antibiotic!
It’s a long process because this condition is deep. I think examining studies of any kind should not lead to broad sweeping conclusions until many more factors can be stirred into the soup. Brain health (absence of physical injury), emotional well-being, diet, environment, education and cultural influences all play a part. The individual responses here are valuable. Thank you.