Can we take our thinking to a higher level?

can we take our thinking to a higher level?

go beyond our understanding of what sz is and look beyond that

can we reach it?

All I can say is I was able to climb up out of the very limiting and destructive paradigms about all mental illness I had when I was suffering so horribly in the '90s and early '00s by doing almost exactly what I keep posting elsewhere as well as immediately below. It may not be the “perfect” solution for everyone, but it has worked very well for hundreds of thousands of people with psychotic spectrum disorders:

  1. Get a copy of this book and read it and have your family read it, as well.
    http://www.amazon.com/Surviving-Schizophrenia-6th-Edition-Family/dp/0062268856

  2. Get properly diagnosed by a board-certified psychopharmacologist who specializes in the psychotic disorders. One can find them at…
    https://psychiatrists.psychologytoday.com/rms/

  3. Work with that “psychiatrist” (or “p-doc”) to develop a medication formula that stabilizes their symptoms sufficiently so that they can tackle the psychotherapy that will disentangle their thinking.

  4. The best of the therapies for that currently include…
    DBT – http://behavioraltech.org/resources/whatisdbt.cfm
    MBSR – http://www.mindfullivingprograms.com/whatMBSR.php
    ACT – https://contextualscience.org/act
    10 StEP – http://pairadocks.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-10-steps-of-emotion-processing.html

  5. the even newer somatic psychotherapies like…
    MBBT – https://www.newharbinger.com/blog/introduction-mind-body-bridging-i-system
    SEPT – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatic_Experiencing
    SMPT – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensorimotor_psychotherapy

  6. or standard CBTs, like…
    REBT – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_emotive_behavior_therapy
    Schematherapy – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schema_Therapy
    Learned Optimism – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_optimism
    Standard CBT – http://www.beckinstitute.org/what-is-cognitive-behavioral-therapy/About-CBT/252/

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that is indeed a great number of references ‘very hard to understand though’ maybe the more you post them the more people might be inclined to look, i myself am trying to reach a higher understanding of my ills at college in order to help myself and help others,

there is another kind of understanding that i am trying to learn just now as well and that is the highest kind of understanding there is, higher than all the theories and books you can post, higher than you, me and the whole of humanity, goes beyond the stars in the skies, into the heavens,

makes our sz feel really insignificant in reflection.

Oh. That understanding. Well. That one is so simple that all but a very few people can grasp it (because most of us have all been raised by culturally socialized and normalized parents, played with culturally socialized and normalized playmates, taught by culturally socialized and normalized teachers, coached by culturally socialized and normalized coaches, supervised by culturally socialized and normalized supervisors, bossed by culturally socialized and normalized bosses and preached to by culturally socialized and normalized preachers? Nah. Couldn’t be).

And that understand is this: What is is. What is not isn’t. (Hint: What we “think” cannot possibly be what is. Only what we observe in the moment of observing it.)

Work with as many psychiatric patients as I have for 28 years now, and it becomes obvious that what I just described is The Way Out.

not everything is black and white,

you repeat this a few times?

what would you think of a world where everybody had a common understanding and communities all came together with the same outlook the same ways of looking at things?
common interests, a focal point that we can all discuss, where we can praise him and each other,

a better society all together. somewhere where we dont believe that there is nothing when we die, somewhere that puts families first, christmas is coming up and all they are talking about is food/drink (i wonder if anyone will ever even mention the true meaning behind Christmas) the world we are living in just now has lost its meaning,

you may think i am delusional if you wish but is it delusional to want a better tomorrow?is it delusional to want to change things for the better? i just wish the world was a better place, its hard.

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I think it is wishful thinking and an unfortunate misdirection of mental energy.

Aren’t things the way they are and not the way they are not? Wouldn’t we do better to look to see how things actually are and adjust to that, changing what we actually can, and supporting others who are better positions to press for such changes? Is there really a point in hoping for miracles?

All I can say is that for as long as I did so, I stayed sick. And when I started to deal with life on life’s terms, I got better. And better.

:confused:

i think you are talking about the here and now but if we all lived in the here and now nobody would think about tomorrow, people wouldnt make plans or reach goals, i think a lot can be said for empowerment and self actualisation here,

thats why i was talking about opening our minds to a much broader understanding not so much about us or them but of everything everywhere all connected.you cant reach a higher understanding than that and it doest stop, there is no limits that we cant reach.

i just put my brain on the top shelf…:blush:
take care :alien:

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Just depends on who is really thinking, wishing, hoping and praying …

Good thread. Religions talk about paradise, heaven, resurrection and even reincarnation. It is easy to absorb these teachings, but is difficult to make these teachings our lifestyles. Still figuring out the truth out there.

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Why? I live in the here and now as much as I can – and especially with respect to dealing with my “issues” and how they effect others – just observing to notice to recognize to acknowledge to accept to own to appreciate to understand what is. Gets me to a solution Every Single Time. I do the exact same thing IN the now about the future.

I’m waaaaaaaay down with the Buddhist unity deal. Connecting dots is my thing now. That observe >>>>>> understand thing shows me the connections. I notice quickly when I am living in the problem and not the process.

i’m talking about going beyond our problems, looking past them, aim higher than the sz world we sometimes occupy

That is fundamentally against the Human nature. Cause every human being born has an inherent desire to know about who he is and what is his purpose of existence. Even the most “conditioned” human being has that desire inherent in him/her.

This is what makes every human being a rebel. Of course I am not talking about those who have completely lost their minds and are in a asylum and I have my strongest love and affection for them and am talking about every other human.

So it is not possible that such a thing can come into reality.

As far as my understanding goes - all of it is (heaven, paradise, reincarnation) is poo , poo

Yeah, I definitely think we can take our thinking to a higher level. I mean it’s all there, everything that’s going on is teaching you something about drive and motivation, desires… The will to fight and not give up for what you want in life despite your circumstances and adversity.

In higher thinking you reap what you sow and sow those seeds all day long inside your head until they become an imprint in your head. There’s a book by James Allen “As a man/women thinketh…/” and its philosophy/religion based from a guy who lived in England. He also has many more books on his teaching and philosophy I think time range late 1890s to mid to early 1900s. Or watch the “beautiful mind a couple times”.

Have a good one!
intounknown

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Which means? ('Cause that covers a lot of territory that might – or might not – be in reality vs. illusion.)

If what is is all there is, why not? Though I will agree that it is against behaviorally conditioned, though not genetically innate, human nature. Do you understand the difference? The thesis if many that I support is that we are born with the genetics to develop the capacities to see, hear and feel what is… but that those “codes” are overwritten by the approved process of (and schooling for) socialization.

(Moreover, that sz is – in some respects – the result of being so “overwritten” that so much of that innate capacity to see, hear and feel what is is lost that the person can no longer function adequately to take care of himself.)

thats a matter of perspective, when i am talking about reaching a higher level i am not talking about delusional thinking here i am talking about self actualization and going beyond what we know to be true, opening our minds to new possibilities, i’d pray that this does not encourage delusional thinking but a better understanding of the concept that there is a lot more to life than what we think,

i am talking about breaking the shackles that hold us back and releasing our full potential as human beings, reaching a higher level and this is done through teaching and understanding the basic principles of why we are here and trying to come to a better understanding about life in general,

“Oh oh, we believe that we can’t be wrong” – Paul McCartney