@shutterbug …is it wrong to recommend more Vegemite? So good for B vitamins!
Seriously people. Look at diet and exercise over micromanaging vitamins. It’s never been proven anything beyond placebo at best and there’s decades of people doing it.
Newer stuff is saying diet tends to give better outcomes and exercise is always good and helps that.
My doctor recommended both and also vitamins including B and D.
Yeah I still take supplements to help with things there’s no denying that but for help with mental health symptoms diet is far more promising in our current meta and I can attest to that.
I’m not sure what your negatives are like, but mine are to the point where it is very hard for me to get started on anything. Any little thing that moves the dial even a mm in the right direction gets added to the stack. I don’t know if I’d even be able to maintain the diet and exercise without the vitamins and supplements providing the initial nudge over the hump.
They give me B vitamins to put in my med. tray. I take so many med’s that I can’t isolate which med. is doing what, but it can’t hurt.
Yeah I get negatives too and only thing that has changed is diet. Supplementing really hasn’t cut it and I’ve just seen the endless change over years. Yes. It can help with overall help but I’m not convinced.
I realise you can’t go hard with the exercise but I’ve seen the benefits of just a simple diet over sz symptoms. May not work for everyone in our community but the micromanaging of vitamins just never really done what a simple diet does for me. I never tried sarcosine or lions mane and understand people get some kick out of them but for simple effort diet really is a no brainer…
I’ve just added diet and it takes time it really does but following the lo carb / keto principles has seen a marked improvement in both positive and negative symptoms for me. The negative improvement is a pleasant but real surprise.
Yeah. It’s different and it’s newer but it works.
I take B, C, and D. Amyloban 3399. Sarcosine. Homemade probiotics.
I think there’s a serious issue between taking vitamins and supplements to nootropic stacks.
It’s a bit different and my point is that micromanaging endless vitamins has never been found to do anything different. I take supplements. I’m 50. It’s a no brainer as I’m on a restrictive diet. I’ve just seen people go stupid over it and don’t think it’s been proven to be beneficial over what is a pretty easy thing. Diet and exercise has far more an upside for our community. My two cents.
I’m not doing anything too crazy, just some basic vitamins and only supplements where I notice a tangible benefit (the probiotics are for diverticular disease, but they help with SZ as well it turns out). Everything is cleared by my pdoc, regular doc, and heart doc. I’m essentially on the Mediterranean diet now (unprocessed foods) making my cardiologist very happy.
Yeah that is cool. Just saying the endless obsession with nootropic stacks is just wasteful when you can improve your life and symptoms from simple dietry changes.
It’s hard and not everyone can do the restrictive diet but my point is that simply for overall gains it’s the way to go. Yes. It may not work for everyone and the long term implications of such things isn’t there yet but so is the health around the long term implications of the meds too.
It works. It’s simple. I’ve yet to see anyone show any benefits from endlessly micromanaging this or that supplement and the history of orthomolecular was proven to be bogus. I don’t see much difference.
Those are pretty high doses, especially the B12. If I were to take this supplement I would take it maybe 2 times a week as a safety measure.
I think the reason why they make a extreme dose of B12 is because the bioavalability in the body is low. Otherwise it wouldn’t make sense.
A healthier diet and more exercise are the first and most fundamental changes anyone with Sz/SzA needs to make. Period. I disagree that keto is the only or best option, but I think it’s a good option worth trying. Ideally a diet should emphasize fresh foods, raw vegetables and fruit, legumes, and reduced carbs and sugar at the very least.
Damn I thought it was high
Example of the one you take?
I guess I’ll try this one like you said 2 times a week
I find strict keto helps my mood
The one I take has like 3-400% tops, daily value of all types.
But I do take a little extra B6(25mg), B9(400mcg) and B12(9mcg) as stand alone supplements added on the multi.
But B vitamins have effect until about 2 weeks after you take them, so you don’t really need to take it daily.
Yes totally agree. My point is that diet and exercise is a better option than nitpicking over supplements and vitamins as there’s not really any evidence that it helps sz. Often not. Not just keto but it does work for some and thus I think it’s a no brainer for anyone in our community.
Simply put diet and exercise with current tech is a far better option. If you can hack the lo carb thing there’s interesting results to that for sure.
There is research supporting Sarcosine and Lion’s Mane. Ran it past a doc and he said it’s legit. And I do notice they work. I also notice that my diverticular disease is a lot less behaved if I skip on probiotics. Also backed by research.
The topic in question is over B vitamins and still stand by my original comment. Your better looking at diet and exercise over most vitamins/supplements. Nothing has really changed in that market for years and yes there’s always exceptions but nitpicking over your vitamin stacks is just nuts.
So why slag supplements as well? There are some that work so I think the blanket statement is unwarranted.
supplements make expensive urine