Treatment with psychostimulants and atomoxetine in people with psychotic disorders and ADHD

# Treatment with psychostimulants and atomoxetine in people with psychotic disorders: reassessing the risk of clinical deterioration in a real-world setting

Interesting. I thought that schizophrenia was an absolute contraindication for ADHD drugs, and this research indicates that their use “decreased the risk of hospital readmission for psychosis”. I wonder who was the comparison group (I’ve only read the abstract thus far). I noticed this abstract in the Science community on Reddit.

Abstract

Background

Although attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is often comorbid with schizophrenia spectrum and other psychotic disorders (SZSPD), concerns about an increased risk of psychotic events have limited its treatment with either psychostimulants or atomoxetine.

Aims

To examine whether the risk of hospital admission for psychosis in people with SZSPD was increased during the year following the introduction of such medications compared with the year before.

Method

This was a retrospective cohort study using Quebec (Canada) administrative health registries, including all Quebec residents with a public prescription drug insurance plan and a diagnosis of psychotic disorder, defined by relevant ICD-9 or ICD-10 codes, who initiated either methylphenidate, amphetamines or atomoxetine, between January 2010 and December 2016, in combination with antipsychotic medication. The primary outcome was time to hospital admission for psychosis within 1 year of initiation. State sequence analysis was also used to visualise admission trajectories for psychosis in the year following initiation of these medications, compared with the previous year.

Results

Out of 2219 individuals, 1589 (71.6%) initiated methylphenidate, 339 (15.3%) amphetamines and 291 (13.1%) atomoxetine during the study period. After adjustment, the risk of hospital admission for psychosis was decreased during the 12 months following the introduction of these medications when used in combination with antipsychotics (adjusted HR = 0.36, 95% CI 0.24–0.54; P < 0.0001).

Conclusions

These findings suggest that, in a real-world setting, when used concurrently with antipsychotic medication, methylphenidate, amphetamines and atomoxetine may be safer than generally believed in individuals with psychotic disorders.

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There ya go @Aziz , a study from quebec to help show your pdoc what you wanf to try.

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Ldopa gives me psychosis. I can’t imagine what amphetamines would do to me, hell. I don’t have a pdoc and my gp refused to prescribe stimulants

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Oh yeah Ive just seen you posting about it a bunch. Of course its a big risk.

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This study gave me a really weird vibe, but after going through it with a very strong bias against it, I have to admit, it does seem quite thorough.

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One thing i was thinking might be helpful is to give chatgpt the study and tell it to analyze for any leaning bias or objective.

I use it to summarize studies so i can get a brief synopsis of it

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I don’t believe in studies anymore, only in trial and error. Lots of studies said APs help negative symptoms but they don’t, they even make them worse. Lots of studies about supplements improving negative and cognitive symptoms but in reality they don’t help, I tried them all.

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I don’t believe in studies anymore

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Lol thats pretty black and white :sweat_smile:

But i get it. For every study for something there is also one against it

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Thats pretty much how it is.

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ChatGPT can “invent” things

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I don’t trust chat GPT to be correct. It is basically using the “poll the audience” feature, except the audience is everyone who has ever posted anything online.

Since replacing the autocorrect dictionary with AI, my phone keeps trying to convince me that common misspellings of words are actually the correct spelling, just because more people get it wrong than right.

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Oh yeah good point. Guess an llm would need to be trained on more specific datasets to be more accurate . Well hopefully in the future there will be better ones for that.

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