I honestly find the censorship unacceptable. I posted my answer as well as examples of something I would agree on seeing established, that is alternative treatment centers… I posted links and articles showing one center had a 2/3 success rate dealing with hallucinations using alternative practices…they weren’t even extreme measures…things like creative visualization were mentioned.
These are viable treatments with successful results. the second article didn’t even speak against meds and said some people would respond better to medication…
My posts were completely deleted, which tells me some people are totally closed off to certain treatments and see things through tunnel vision: one way only. there are numerous paths to healing, especially healing of the mind.
Again, NO to mental asylums
They are/were pretty much one in the same. the older buildings once called lunatic asylums, insane asylums, etc just had name changes to state hospitals. many of those older ones were closed down completely. Nothing much changed but the name only, and maybe they stopped electroshock and lobotomies…
The Danvers State Hospital, also known as the State Lunatic Hospital at Danvers, The Danvers Lunatic Asylum, and The Danvers State Insane Asylum, was a psychiatric hospital located in Danvers, Massachusetts…
It is rumored to have been the birthplace of the pre-frontal lobotomy.
I’m on a phone so I’m hobbled too, but basically most mentally ill are in prison for infractions related to homelessness, parole violation and substance abuse related crimes. The main study was in California might have been by Stanford.
Not sure I like ‘forensic’ as that implies that crime is in the mix somewhere. I was thinking maybe, “Psychiatric/psychological Continuing Care”.
I am thinking a facility that is designed for long-term care, but with the goal of re-integrating patients into society as much as possible, as soon as possible. I would also hope that it would place as much onus as possible on the patients for setting their own recovery goals and program direction (not always feasible, but it should be an imperative whenever possible as governed by how patients respond to reality testing).
You pulled your usual stunt of veering a thread sharply off into Unusual Beliefs territory with your extradimensional bumpf. If you want to restart that portion of the topic in the appropriate category, be my guest. Just please stop hijacking mainstream threads started by those who prefer NOT to live in an X-Files episode.
Absolutely correct: There are ‘Forensic Hospitals’ in some cities. It is not uncommon to see people in shackles and jumpsuits being escorted in, so yes, I think they are mainly for criminal evaluations, competency to stand trial, things like that.
Forensic Psychology is the application of the science and profession of psychology to questions and issues relating to law and the legal system. The word “forensic” comes from the Latin word “forensis,” meaning “of the forum,” where the law courts of ancient Rome were held.
American Board of Forensic Psychology - Homepage www.abfp.com/
The Forensic Hospital — Justice & Forensic Mental Health …
www.justicehealth.nsw.gov.au/…/the-forensic-hospital
New South Wales
The Forensic Hospital is a 135 bed, high secure mental health facility operated by Justice Health & Forensic Mental Health Network on behalf of NSW Health.
Long term care facilities never really left. Universities have hospitals, in my state, some of the larger and more well funded hospitals have a psych wing for long term treatment.
But the word Mental Asylum will always have that dark ages connotation around it.
I don’t think “Mental Asylums” will come back. But I do think smaller facilities that aren’t tethered or mushed in with other things like drug rehab will start to pop up.
those old ‘asylums’ were nothing but warehouses, with little treatment. they were mainly just for observation and when they observed someone behaved well for awhile they let them go…
This was common in most state hospitals:
(Danvers again - one of the more infamous ones)
The original plan was designed to house 500 patients, with 100 more possible to accommodate in the attic. However, by the late 1930s and 1940s, over 2,000 patients were being housed, and overcrowding was severe. People were even held in the basements of the Kirkbride.
warehouses for people…look more like ancient castles and spooky!
Columbus mental hopital aka Ohio Lunatic asylum and Columbus hospital for the insane is another of the more infamous ones
The money spent on asylums and their staffs should just be dispersed to the people with the illness. Maybe raise benefits. I don’t need much more but things are goons get tight when I have to start paying for health insurance. I still dream of getting a studio apartment for myself. It’s kind of one or the other because I can’t afford both.
I would see it being a terrible investment. The system should work to keep the mentally ill integrated into society.
Truth! They really need all of these things…good hospitals, good doctors, support when you get out, case managers assigned who follow up, help for caregivers-good doctors and enough of them so they can actually take some time with each person instead of being overloaded
Eddie Ray Routh was found guilty for killing Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield - He should have been found guilty by reason of insanity - He belongs in a Hospital, not prison.
Routh has a long history of mental illness and taking medications - He most likely suffered from severe psychosis.
I am sick and tired of ill patients going to prison - I think that we should start building more Hospitals for the severely mentally ill - with good care and quality staff
My great aunt was brought by her family to an asylum when she became ‘hebephrenic’ in her twenties. She spent her life there safely with weekly visits. Her family members were able to go on with their lives.
I can’t believe that 100 years later, I am in a worse situation with my schizophrenic adult son than my grandfather was with his sister!
Psychiatric hospitals could hopefully restore some real long-term treatment for people with severe mental illness that has been lost within the new ‘drive thru’ psychiatric inpatient culture. What we have today is the McDonaldization of mental health treatment.
With our ‘modern’ technological capabilities, psychiatric hospitals could be thoroughly monitored and could be places of profound peace - engineered for healing.
Fountains, lovely grounds, warmly painted walls, sensory rooms, etc. could provide those with serious mental illness with the treatment and protection they need and deserve. No one should have to be allowed to commit a crime in a psychosis because they don’t know what they are doing and are hearing voices!
Do we charge people with epilepsy with assault because they hit someone while having a seizure? Do we charge people with Tourette’s for making verbal threats? Why do we charge people with brain-based mental disorders with crimes that originate in a sick brain? How advanced can we presume our society to be when we cannot even understand that mental illness is just a disease of the brain?
Until we advance to the level of the early 1900’s I am going to invest all my money in cloning Dorothea Dix. Apparently there is no one left in this country who has the fortitude to bring about the kind of sweeping changes that she did to save the mentally ill from prisons and create hospitals to provide life long care to those who need it. Maybe we could invent a time machine to transport our mentally ill from underneath bridges, prison cells and homeless shelters to the asylums of the turn of the century, when people so advanced as to be able to understand the complexities of brain-based illnesses?
I dont know, if Routh was truly deep in psychosis and didnt know what he was doing, I do think that he should have been found guilty by reason of insanity and sent to a Hospital and spend lots of time there.
I don’t think the U.S.A. is prepared to have good hospitals, heck anything would be better than those people being stuck in prison for crimes they aren’t even capable of understanding, crimes that were factored by their mental illness. It’s a cruel and inhumane way of dealing with someone who is severely ill, or even if they can’t perceive it because the person wants to be better, but can’t hide the illness anyways. It’s totally immoral. But with the constant terrorism and how consumerism has shaped our values, it is unlikely that mental health professionals will see the light anytime soon. So I agree with Luna-Seer, that putting more funding towards holistic retreats and recovery centers is the way to go. Right now, they’re not as expensive because there really are no alternatives for people like us, and these centers are hard to find but should become more readily accessible in the coming days. More people will be willing to invest in alternatives just like green energy, and hospitals won’t be such horrid places anymore.
Do we need huge centers for people? Maybe we do, but ones that don’t just funnel people into the system. How can we have a well funded hospital without government intervention? It takes work, you have to be prepared for mistakes but overall in the long-run, having a reputable established treatment center could save lives.
