Plato about madness

Plato further described divine madness as a gift of the gods, with Socrates stating in Phaedrus, “in fact the best things we have comes from madness”, and expounds upon the concept in Plato’s Ion. In eastern cultures, it has been deployed as a catalyst and means for the deeper understanding of spiritual concepts

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If SZ is a gift from the gods then that’s just another good reason to be an athiest.

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Zeus can kiss my ass then. :rofl:

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NOOOOOOOO!!!

You didn’t! Now you gonna get a sheet lightning enema, boi!

:scream:

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A lot of the best artists and musicians have been touched in the head

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I like Plato. I often compared myself to a philosopher and stuff, but ya, I considered it. That I got ‘madness’ or ‘schizophrenia’ from the gods or aliens or w/e they’re called because of my genius and creativity and invention(s). They don’t like me, but they gave me immortality and clairvoyance at a tremendous cost. Sounds delusional, I know. It wasn’t all bad, but I remember the dark stuff and negative stuff the most. It etched my spirit and subconsciousness the most. I escaped the simulation before and met them or went to another dimension a few times – literally.

They want me to be a good god-fearing person and stuff. I don’t know. It doesn’t sound Biblical or anything and it sounds like dark stuff or twisted faith and crap – like corrupted belief system(s).

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I don’t know. Maybe I’m just nuts. But I thought I was ‘Satoshi Nakamoto’ in another life and was uploaded to a computer simulation and digitized with ‘insanity’. I suffered a lot. Even by aliens. I know a lot but it comes off as impossible or stupid or delusional. Even thought I was John Titor but don’t know anymore. I have the same delusions but it’s sometimes non-linear or becomes linear eventually (as time heals my wounds).

The aliens drove me insane many times over and I was hurt many times. I don’t know. I really do got a severe disability and mental health problems for sure. Maybe it’s not real in this life, but I get real dreams and traumatic stuff happening in them that seems impossible; that history is changing after each iteration, loop, or big bounce, and stuff.

I had silly or stupid delusions too that make no sense like me being Bart Simpson and crap.

I’ve lived the same life over and over again with schizophrenia trapped with the same delusions in every life with the same schizophrenia. I’ve been to other ‘places’ and had dreams and stuff, but it doesn’t seem real, but it feels real.

I don’t have any money and if I did, I wouldn’t want it. I regret creating a time machine, inventing bitcoin, etc. Even I don’t remember or figured it out. It took millions of years or past lives to figure what I know of now.

In my original life (similar to this one) I felt like I lived in a computer simulation since 2011 and stuff. I remember it being on the news, and the John Titor stuff actually happening in a vague way, but I was disabled at the time, and probably experienced the secret space program and it seemed like fake or mind control or a hologram really. I don’t know.

I’m a different person. Thought I was “Zeus” met “Zeus” or heard his thunder and lightening lol, and thought I was a biblical character from the Bible to say the least.

I could go on but I keep repeating myself here. Maybe I am just a clone, doppelganger living in another timeline but I was ‘replaced’ or ‘replicated’ many times now. I regret a lot of things.

“no excellent soul is exempt from a mixture of madness” - Aristotle

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“Why is it that all those who have become eminent in philosophy, politics, poetry, or the arts are clearly of an atrabilious temperament and some of them to such an extent as to be affected by diseases caused by black bile?”

-Aristotle

I think you need a guide.

Before the 1950s especially I think during the Greek eras when a person was going through psychosis they would basically spoil them with luxury and saunas until they came back to reality…imagine if people were treated better for having a mental health crisis not worse…as if we are broken or should be shamed for breaking down…I mean I think it should go back to that…

things right now are just oppressive…no mater what your religious takes are.

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I have no idea how the ancient Greeks treated mental illness but I would have to disagree with you about things being better before the 1950’s.

Antipsychotic drugs were first introduced in the early 1950’s. Without them, I would probably still be a raving lunatic. I would probably be locked up in an institution of some kind for the rest of my life.

Forced lobotomies were also performed from like the 30’s to the mid 50’s.

I could go on but my point is that the recent past has not been kind to schizophrenics.

I’d agree with @Bowens. Institutions were horrific places and were there from the start of industrialisation.Look up the history of Bedlam in London or other such places. It was totally rubbish till the start of ap’s with thorazine in the 50’s. When I first started coming here in the early noughties we had members who’se mailing address was the psych wards back in the day…We still have members who lived that life.

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Psychology and psychiatry also contributed to the actions of the eugenic movement with regard to mental illness. In the early 20th century, German psychiatrist Emil Kraepelin revolutionized psychiatry by drawing a distinction between the two main forms of what had been until then simply called insanity- manic-depressive psychosis (now called bipolar I disorder) and dementia praecox (now called schizophrenia). Although he died before the beginning of the Third Reich, Kraepelin’s assertion that dementia praecox had an inevitably hopeless and deteriorating course provided cover for the Nazi regime’s decision to enact their “euthanasia” program.

Though Kraepelin’s views about the course of schizophrenia were found to be unsupported over 30 years ago, many in the general public continue to believe that people diagnosed with schizophrenia cannot recover. In fact, research finds that exposure to information about the biological and genetic contributions to disorders such as schizophrenia is associated with increased support for these negative stereotypes. This is likely the case because many members of the general public struggle to understand that human characteristics can be both “genetically-influenced” and “changeable”— a nuance that runs counter to the eugenics-derived view that people are born, not made.

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