Just finished two books!

Just finished reading Anatomy of an Epidemic today. and reading Mad in America about a week ago.

The books expanded upon what I already knew and suspected, namely, that psych meds do not correct an imbalance in brain chemicals, they create imbalances and that they are brain damaging. Whitaker provides of ton of evidence for this from studies and research going back decades. Not only that, but also that prior to drugs, schizophrenics, bi-polars, depressives, anxious, and “ADHD” people recovered at large numbers when given good environments and actual care (not tortured and given experimental treatments). The APA and the drug companies have known all of this all along, in the depths of those institutions, but because of money and interest in power, they hid the truth.

I intuited this for most of my life. Those times I reached out for help from the system, they would not help me, they always wanted to drug me. It was not until I was completely broken by the system and had no alternatives but to get on drugs, that I did. It was a huge mistake, but I really had little choice.

Once on the drugs I became a great proponent of them, for they actually reduced my symptoms. I became a believer in them and spent 8 years of my life on a full dose of an anti-psychotic. Over time, I began to experience other issues. I began to experience Anxiety and OCD. My dependence on cigarettes and alcohol grew. I had no idea why this was happening. They wanted to put me on more drugs, but something in me made me realize that would be a super bad idea – and it is. What has been happening to me over the past 13 years is ever increasing disability and its not from psychosis, but because of the effects of the neuroleptic drug on my brain.

Some of the most damning research is that done on the brains of medicated people after they die (which for a medicated schizophrenic means 15 to 25 years prior to the general population). What the research reveals is that, the brain compensates for the drugs. The drugs, by blocking re-uptake of neuro-chemicals, makes the brain build more synapses (some of which are malformed) which then makes the brain super sensitive to the neuro-chemicals. Not only that but the white matter and grey matter, in the brains of medicated psychotics is reduced, especially in the pre-frontal cortex (the area of the brain that makes a person a human being). Net effect is that it is like getting a chemical lobotomy (which is funny because that is exactly what thorazine, the first neuroleptic was hailed as doing initially).

If the drug is removed quickly, the relapse of symptoms are many times more severe than the first episode, because the brain is super sensitive. The worst thing of all, is that there is no evidence what so ever, quite the opposite, that psychotics have excess dopamine or depressives have excess seratonin to begin with. All the studies that tested that hypothesis, showed normal levels of those chemicals in the spinal fluid of psychotics and depressives prior to medication.

I essentially bought into a lie, which may have made me a chronic schizophrenic and disabled for the rest of my life. In the long term these drugs have not helped me recover, but have contributed greatly to my decline after 13 years on them.

I did have the insight to reduce my dosage about 4 years ago, after I was cut off from the drugs when I lost my insurance. I relapsed really hard and got back on through a drug program, but reduced, being threatened by my county psychiatrist that I would relapse soon. I reduced to a third of the recommended dosage and did not relapse for 3 years. The move to Kentucky and the enormous stress that it entailed did relapse me in June of last year, I went up to the drug company recommend dosage until symptoms abated and then titrated 20 mgs a month until I was on 40 mgs again.

The high cholesterol and high blood pressure is gone now with the reduction of the neuroleptic. But because of my use of the anti-psychotic drug I am on I am now experiencing sings of tardive dyskensia and Parkinsonian symptoms. I have uncontrollable mouth and tongue movements, tremors, and muscle spasms.

In retrospect, all of this could have been prevented. If I would not have been rail roaded to getting on the drugs, but instead to treatments that do work for schizophrenics (I have listed them in prior posts) which have been suppressed, but were available to me as I was initially having problems, I would be able to work full time and had a high potential of never having a psychotic episode again. Now instead, I live with greater and greater disability and the threat that if I do relapse its going to be worse than if I never got on the drug in the first place…

It makes me Mad and drives me to share my story and these two books and books and papers from other researchers. This crap has to end. Instead of healing the sick, pseudo science have driven mental illness into an epidemic. Now they putting 2 YEAR OLDS on these drugs. The lies and profiteering from those who have emotional, mental, or spiritual issues has GOT TO STOP.

2 of them huh?..

Well don’t stop now man.

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Yeah Peter!

But they’re just the latest 2. I have read MANY, MANY, MANY, BOOKS!

Learned a lot and I am still learning and applying what I learn.

good for you man.

Please address me as Pete.

Yeah lots of them are in my library but so are some of the ones from the guys that promote “rat poison for the mind”, just see where the are coming from too.

I like knowing both sides of an argument and then seeing who has the most compelling evidence.

Always remember, the same culture that lets cigarettes be sold over the counter to anyone thats 18 with money to spend, is the same culture that promotes anything for a buck and tells you all the while how it will “help” you. Don’t matter the collateral damage, its good for business so it must be good for you? Free Markets smells almost like a crematorium.

Teen Spirit.“Team Spirit”.

Look mate the whole thing is a barbaric sh*t hole - it won’t change for hundreds more years & there’s little point trying to change it all.

I ain’t trying to change it all, just one mind at a time… Mine. Sharing the progress is not a bad thing to do.

The biggest change does not happen outside of you, it happens inside of you.

The point of a lifetime on this planet is not to change the world, but to grow and become a better person, a more knowledge person to the degree that it builds your co-passion. Realizing that we are all here, in varying degrees, doing what we can to share the intention, that lead our species from one celled animals, to where we are now, and where our species will be in the future, if enough us do our work on our selves.

It’s about changing yourself, not others, or the system.

I do like to mix it up though with others as I am in this life.

If enough customers of McDonalds learn that companies products are ■■■■, either through trial and error or word of mouth, then that company will have to serve better food … RIGHT? or they will go out of business. Thats why you and I are here.

You turned me on to that book, “journey of the souls” apotheosis. Thanks. I went beyond that book in my research but its a good starting point. Lots of solid evidence I chose this life and didn’t randomly fall into it.

so you condensed your belief into 4 lines?

That’s a step up.

I can do it in one line…

“Love, Life, and Liberty”

I made a secret language when I was a young adolescent. When I started asking the big questions, my grandma gave me a small little black New Testament (king james version) with the letters of Christ highlighted in Red. The day I got it, I was inspired to write in my secret language, on the back of that book over … that line I just shared with you. The letters in Red were revolutionary, the words of my secret language… have kept me a in the revolution, the rest of the book … hmmm… bad literature at best.

i agree.


It is extremely hard work some times.

You know many people look at our people and say, “Get a ■■■■■■■ job you leach!”.

I feel like our people work really damn hard, to hard most of the time, to prove to those that don’t, that we are patriots and are human enough to be accepted in culture.

But at some point, you realize, they don’t HAVE TO WORK, they fit “nicely” or just good enough to avoid being forced on drugs, hospitalized or imprisoned.

Yeah I choose this life. Because I prefer to WORK and GROW and so did all the others in this world called different names by the bullies on the play ground.

WE deal with it, we take the drugs, we submit to “authority” because otherwise our work would never be shared.

Keep writing and sharing and giving meaning apotheosis.It sustains.

It stands to reason that if they give you a drug that suppresses dopamine in one area of the brain, your brain will flood that area with dopamine if you’re taken off the drug. I sometimes wish they hadn’t been so quick to put me on an anti-psychotic. Now that I’m on one, I have to stay on. I’ve become dependent on AP’s. At the assisted living center where I live there are a lot of people who have COPD and are on breathing machines. I can’t help but wonder if the combination of AP’s and smoking has made them more prone to this condition. If I have to be on anti-psychotics, Geodon and Seroquel, which I am on now, are the two I would choose. As AP’s go, they’re pretty good.

It’s Not welcome by a lot of people, it is by some. But the focus does need to be a lot more on my own path & pursuits, Not all this internet business. People have their own paths & are best left to follow them.

We can ‘only’ do our best, & there are certain things i need to change & other things i need to focus on more.

I was taught by a college professor of psychology on TV, that the mentally ill are not well tolerated by the general population. My thoughts on this as to why, is that, the general population finds life challenging enough without having to take care of others, but thank God there are those who like to ease the suffering of those less fortunate.

So my point is that if it were not for the medications they offer me I would still be killing myself with the street drugs I turned to for a fix before I even realized what was wrong with me. And those big pharm. companies need our financial input for to develop new meds that are less harsh. They are doing the best they can and just be thankful they at least have a financial incentive to help others.

Mucho agreed. 15 15 15

Nice to hear someone see the positive side of it, though I agree with others that the negative side is there. Marsha Linehan (who invented Dialectical Behavior Therapy or DBT) came from recognition that tolerance for ambiguity and conflict is the key to mental health.

It is welcomed by me. I just stopped taking risperdal two weeks ago and already the fog is beginning to lift. Your coming to this forum at this time is very timely for me. Thank you for sharing your experiences

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I’m going crazy waiting for my third Carlos Castenada book to come in the mail. I read the first 2 in a matter of 3 weeks. Now I want to read all 14 of his books but the mail is taking forever to deliver it! Hope it wasn’t lost.

Thank you Gwen.

yeah big brother drug is still the turn to guy in this day and age, when reality is almost smacking everyone in the face and still you wont let up on the most avaiable and cheapist mental health care, its delivered, so it must be the best eh?

do some more research kid

Demand more.