The answer to that is probably as simple as the answer to why older research is wrong and led to decades of misinformation (which is still unfortunately going on).
When patients get better, they quit. And when people here start to recover, they don’t need a support forum anymore.
Older research was almost exclusively based on in-patients in hospitals. It’s no wonder they didn’t recover. In-patient treatment does not do wonders for symptoms, the in-patients are sicker than the rest of the patients and are less likely to recover, and when in-patients get better, they stop being in-patients.
I could link you more articles if you want. But I don’t see how it would be worth the effort when you just reject every argument and refuse to take seriously a peer-reviewed study that said exactly what I said, that is published in a good journal, and is part of a very respected vein of research.
You don’t even provide a reason. You just say “I don’t believe that study”. You don’t go looking for the number of other studies that I’ve mentioned, many of which are probably cited in that article. I don’t think any amount of studies or arguments will change your mind at all.
Also, besides being a low blow, you’re twisting facts here. I said I’m basically fully recovered, but that it’s too early to know for certain, and that I’m on a dose that is below the minimum effective dose.
There are some that can go off meds. I have to admit however, just from personal experience, that the 1/3 number sounds awfully high to me.
I imagine that many that do get off meds do so only after having repeated failures and have to try multiple times to get off meds successfully though. Positive symptoms are also supposed to get better as you get older.
I don’t know, I will focus more on researching this when I feel more like looking into the numbers. I just have a hard time believing 1/3 are successful.
The 1/3 is not full recovery without meds. Just want to clear that up. The 1/3 are those that recover substantially. The definitions (and therefore also numbers) vary between studies, but roughly 50% to two thirds recover to some degree, of those roughly 25-33% recover substantially, and fewer than that make a full recovery. And with the strictest criteria, with no psych meds of any kind, no symptoms of sz, no other mental health issue or substance abuse, and full functional recovery with a regular job, that number is much lower than 1/3 but still not zero (but at that point we might actually talking about above normal mental health and functioning).
The point is that even though sz is a very severe illness, and complete recovery is unlikely, complete recovery is still possible, and some degree of recovery is likely, and functioning well without meds is also possible (with or without a full recovery).
Well, you made it sound before like a complete recovery is common.
I would agree that maybe complete recovery is possible though in my opinion it comes under the category that I would see on here in the past. And that is “mild schizophrenia” or a “case of mild schizophrenia.”
. It’s a good concept but I would say in reality it’s rare to non-existent.
I guess I wish I could talk to someone who has made a “full recovery” and see under what criteria they are claiming their “full” recovery. Maybe you’re right and people who used to be on here have recovered enough so they don’t need this site anymore. But in my years on here I haven’t seen one person who claims full recovery or claims they’re “cured” who has proved it to my satisfaction.
I didn’t mean that as a low blow, I was just stating fact and even you admit, it’s too soon to tell what degree you are recovered.
Symptom severity isn’t that good a predictor of recovery. There are more important predictors, like cognition, IQ, social support and treatment access. It’s still not possible to predict who will recover, and you can not put it down to “mild schizophrenia”. But very poor cognition and low IQ is the group most often shown in research to predict a worse illness course and prognosis.
It’s not. That’s the point. Check the numbers. And a large portion of us recover very well, while still having some symptoms or some reduced functioning.
Well, I mean, there are good reasons. I have not had almost any symptoms for several years, have not had a remitting/recurring course, and meds do not appear as effective at preventing relapses in the long term. In addition, I have not had any increase in symptoms after reducing from 600mg to 100mg Seroquel, and the minimum effective dose is 150mg. But yes, I will not say that I have made a full recovery without meds yet. I have made a full recovery with meds, and have good reason now to believe it will continue without them. And my schizophrenia was not “mild” in any way. But I had some more important good prognostic factors.
I think I got schizophrenia but don’t really hallucinate. It’s a vicious cycle for me: energy drinks and medication, symptoms and recovery. It goes back and forth with really no healing or help.
I think I got a disability and a mental illness but think it’s more PTSD, DID/MPD and stuff and burnout/trauma really. I got severe cognitive deficits/limitations/disability and stuff.
I think I know the cure for schizophrenia but don’t really know anymore or care or can prove it/get it.
My negatives are bad and I had really bad dp/dr and dissociation and crap. So bad that the world looked fake for years and I had severe supra/super-natural and paranormal activity going on. I might be either psychic or an alien/cyborg hybrid, I suppose. I don’t think reality is that real anymore and is more of a simulation/matrix, but not a game, really at all.