@labratmat I made a new topic because your other one got closed
I definitely believe in determinism over free will. IMHO it’s a matter of perspective
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I was just making a cup of tea and was going to do the same myself. 
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I lean towards determinism too. It is just a difficult concept to grasp as it makes all thought pointless in essence because ‘I’ am going to do whatever I was predetermined to do.
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Ha, ha, i would call that a retrospective free will 
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I think it’s a blend of both. Our unconscious drives most of our actions, but if we become consciously aware of these processes, and tame them if not overcome them, Free Will becomes much more impactful
I’m not sure where I’m at, to be honest. I think I have one eye halfway open LOL. A tiny slit Maybe
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Determinism also helps me to not blame others for their actions to me. Whatever they have done was going to happen because it was predetermined to happen. It is not their fault, so to speak as the determinism of my life applies to them also.
I am coming to the conclusion that I am merely witnessing and experiencing a life that befalls me. It removes ‘me’ from the equation also and allows me the freedom to see what happens to this vessel that experiences this world.
It must be the influence of all these ‘enlightenment’ books i am currently reading. 
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I believe more in free pill (insurance covering medication) than free will
lol 
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I’d like to get back to that Alan watts book I was reading
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Do you think you have a choice? 
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Most of one’s actions are a reaction to other people’s actions. Besides that, all the objects, the things we are living with, urge us to do certain things and not others, there is a latent force in the objects we are surrounded with that reduce our free will…
Like @labratmat said in his example, we can construct a sense of ownership to ourselves after we have done a certain thing. Its close to what some call the “Narrative self.” We construct our identities on the things we have done more or less automatically.
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That is an interesting take, I never thought of that. I think there is value in both sides. Maybe we only have the power to choose what we do with it
I wallowed for years in anger and self-pity. But I finally decided, that this is the only life I have, and I better start making the best of it. It was a conscious choice, in a sea of determinism perhaps. Or am I misunderstanding your use of the term? I have just read very little on the topic
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Yes I understand exactly what you’re saying.
I just never thought of it exactly like that
Cool way of saying it 
Thinking I was Jesus Christ reincarnated or the chosen one was probably just a metaphor for figuring out life is so much determinate. And the grandiosity aspect was a bi product of the revelation…
But even if it’s determinate. Is it random ;)???
And if it’s not random my purpose is set in the stars already . But why make me believe I’m
Jesus if I’m not, if it’s not so random???
Idk ask someone else, not me.
So many questions no known answers
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Did you decide or did the surroundings that affected your life ‘force’ you into action?
Imagine for a moment that the universe is just made up of patterns of atoms. Close your eyes if you will and imagine your own body made up of atoms. Then see the pattern of atoms making up a shape of a human. Don’t imagine the flesh, but how you imagine an atom to be as seen in science journals.
So just like a scene from a matrix movie imagine the ground made up of atoms, air filled with atoms between humans and objects. When the human body made up of atoms moves, the atoms swirl and effect all the surrounding atoms.
Like a wave all these atoms swirl and twist and curve in waves expanding throughout the universe. What comes before and what comes after in the these tidal waves of atoms all effect the other.
The wave encompasses the whole universe and like a wave on a beach it moves because of what happened before it, and this includes human atoms. They are bashed about by other waves of atoms and decide your fate from the tiniest sugar granule atom that creates a thought in your brain each pushing and creating the path that has already been decided by the determinism of the big bang of atoms that surge and shrink throughout billions of light years that came before.
Now when you open your eyes you can see the separation of our limited human eyes perception, but close your eyes again and you can imagine the whole universe flowing again.
Are we caught up in the illusion of free will as our humanly body perceives, or are we just a wave of atoms being pushed this way and that in a determinate way? 
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knew I should’ve paid attention more in science in high school 
But it wasn’t really me it was just them atoms experiencing the universe
I read your post twice. Some makes sense some doesn’t to me.
Which Books are you reading??
I’m done reading fiction. I only like non fiction and philosophy so why waste my time with too much fiction.
These atoms over here want to go back to school
Read a chapter on quantum physics the other day. Intriguing stuff 
I also think we gotta keep a good ground in total reality for what it’s worth. We gotta remember how real it feels. Even though these subjects can be highly interesting. I gotta go guys.
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I’d love to hear your opinion on this @NotSeksoEmpirico . I hope you are still with us? Hoping you are well?
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That’s an interesting way of looking at things. After my accident, I could almost see through things, it was very clear to me that atoms were widely dispersed, and all things are almost completely space. I could see it in my mind’s eye
It was so clear to me, that I believed at the time the only thing that was stopping me from passing my hand through the wall, was my belief of its solidity.
You can call that what you will, but it left an imprint on me.
I still believe there is Free Will involved in the Life Journey. I could raise my hand over my head, but I choose not to. There is the will and the ability to do so at my disposal, Nothing Stops me. But my choice is not to. This is a very small example of free will, completely separate from any other influences
If we were to say that determinism is by and large, the greatest force, but not the only factor, that shapes our lives I am in total agreement.
I do see your point, for sure
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It is not my job to persuade you either way.
I am just throwing the predeterminism out there.
It doesn’t matter either way that life is determinism or not to those who believe in free will. Most people believe in free will or should i say the illusion of free will! 
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Fair enough, we’ll agree to disagree. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got a wave of atoms that determine my life to get back to
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Thanks, @Jonnybegood and yes randomness is an interesting thing.
A friend of mine once said, “all philosophers tries to disregard randomness, otherwise their theories wouldn’t fit”
I don’t know if he is right.
And yes, so many questions, and so few answers, is what make the world go around.
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I dont believe in determinism at all. Sure theres things that limit what we can do and even plot out our lives ahead of time but we have the power to act in any unpredictable way we want.
Sz is another issue. Sure it seems that the disease causes us to act in certain ways, but i think there is an element of freedom at play even though legally we are not considered responsible for actions. We are not automatons when we act we are simply not in touch with reality
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