Do you deal with stigma? And how?

Here in Portugal mental illness is very stigmatized. I have a friend that has depression for a long time, multiple suicide attempts and refuses help because she doesn’t want the “crazy” label.
Before I got diagnosed I didn’t want it either, thought it was diminishing. After the diagnosis I spent a long time in denial, a lot because of the stigma attached to the illness.

The ways I’ve dealt with stigma, people don’t react or react oddly to me saying I have a mental illness. One person didn’t answer, and never spoke to me again. Another one, on facebook, made a post saying that schizophrenics don’t vote and I was like “I have sz and I vote… don’t know where you’re trying to go with this” He edited his post, sent me a msg saying he was sorry and deleted my reply in order for me to don’t expose myself… Another one said “I don’t believe it, if you had a mental illness I could tell, it would show”… My mom thought I was dangerous before understanding I thought she was controled by demons, I talked to her and I actually got hospitalized on the grounds that I was agressive towards others. I don’t remember being violent, and she said I wasn’t, just agressive in my words.

I react differently, to some I try to explain, to others I just don’t. If people don’t understand, and are closed by belief it’s incredibly hard to get them to understand. It’s a seriously misunderstood illness this one.

How do you deal? What happened to you?

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It’s a hard one @Minnii. I feel for us, and you too. Thanks for sharing that. I just came away from a weeks stay at a psych hospital and the stigma, even in there, was quite present. There were addicts who attempted to hurt themselves or others who were in with us - the mentally ill. Many of them were very vocal about how they didn’t deserve to be in there “with a bunch of crazies and psycho’s.” Little did they realize that they were forced in and a lot of us “crazies” were voluntarily there.

That sucks…! I’ve been hearing a lot lately on shows or tv, specially I heard on that netflix show Jessica Jones a bunch of “psycho bitch” “you’re psychotic!” and things like that… It’s just trown out there, in an ignorant manner. It’s frustrating.

Even celebrities who have mental illness who should be championing the cause to reduce stigma are too embarrassed to, or are told how bad a business decision it would be by those close to them. So, I guess it’s up to us to live strong and well and show those around us that nobody chooses mental illness, but we can choose to overcome it. @Minnii, you’re honestly a hero in my book, like many of us here!!

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nothing actually happen to me when i got ill…
at first i suffered a lot from depression after sometime i start to feel anxious that was all about future…
when i reach to doctor for help and dx it was already late …
doctor dx me as a mixed anxiety spectrum… at first doctor gave me sertaline pills knows as zosert100 mg…
it couldn’t do me good .unfortunately i decided to switch doc now my pdoc is so so even he says i am in verge of psychosis still no sz dx. but i dx myself as szaff… monday is my appointment with pdoc …i am on
7.5mg zyprexa i am doing good with it…but it had made me lazy…i wont discontinue my meds…

as takin about stigma …
in our country people really don’t open up…especially mental illness .people term us as a crazy and psycho insane …so i am decided to open up…i will starighy express my plight to my sister who iz in Australia…then my paps and mom …i think i am lazy and coward… thats it minni…
we have to fight against this social evil called stigma and people ill perspective…
sorry for my bad english…haha… any ways take care… :pray:

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I bet you’re not lazy and coward, if you’re open about your illness in your country I don’t think you’re a coward at all, even if you weren’t open about it.

Thanks @Gir :blush: I want to be an anti-stigma advocate someday lol jk, but I would like to do something about it here in Portugal.

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I’m sure it’s not as bad as you’d like to think.

What you described first is called label avoidance- you don’t want the label of nutter so you avoided clinical eyes. I don’t blame you, because then when we do get diagnosed, we often engage in what is called self-stigma, which is basically blaming yourself, like false consciousness (blaming yourself for being poor) but instead thinking that you could somehow snap out of it (just like thinking if you worked harder you wouldn’t be poor).

Then comes public stigma, which is the most often pretty negative and just bad way people view is (people trying to keep your coming out suppressed) and well that is the real kicker. The general public does think misinformed things about us. They often think we are unstable and unpredictable, and that we are a little subhuman because we are so flawed. It’s rife with information from news such as “mentally ill college student shoots a dozen people” while they don’t mention people like you or me “mentally ill college student finishes final exam in 25 minutes and makes a 94 and then ooes to workout and take his medicine as he should” yeah

Then there is structural stigma which is how these conceptions of us are ingrained in society and have been like burning “possessed” people and isolating the “nutcases” in the “nuthouse” because that’s how the collective deals with such abominations.

There are a few ways to fight it, and I take the high road. I broadcast my condition because I make it look like it might even be good “mouse is practically a genius” and “mouse is an exercise nut and can kick your ass with one leg but he chooses to pursue academia instead” and “I wish I could perform like him” when I do things like sit in the front and answer all questions correctly, stuff like that. When I am taking a piss after a class and some dude from the class says he barely passed and I report making a 103. See? It’s like “yeah I am mentally ill and also good at what I do. See, I’m not that crazy.”

I also am doing something that is very very rare. I do well in academia and intend on making changes from within the system and already have a very strong thesis underway which is for care providers, caregivers and professionals, addressing a method to smooth interactions with mentally ill patients. It’s designed to test a number of hypotheses, mainly “this must be more effective for these types of metal patients than these other mental patients” based on a distinction that pretty much everyone makes which is something along the lines of “is this genetic or all in their head? Is this patient doing this or is this happening to them?” We tend to categorize mental patients in this manner, and I am calling it out in a professional manner.

So there are many ways to take the stigma problem, but that is what I do about it. It is without a doubt that hardest path, but is it really hard for me, someone who requires intellectual stimulation to feel okay? No, it’s just right for me, I am good at what I find interesting, and I have some established skills as a student and a researcher. Here comes the aspergers. If it is interesting, I can and will and do in fact do it obsessively and well in a suspiciously short amount of time.

So maybe read this

http://www.stigmaandempowerment.org/images/stories/COMING_OUT_PROUD_manual_revised_for_SOLIDARITY.pdf

Which is the good stuff written by the leading experts. It’s a manual for how to do what you asked. I read it last week after the fact of doing what it proposes- I guess I just am inclined to reason my way through stigma like these professors did.

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You posted that, I’ve read it. It’s really good. Discussed it with my therapist even.

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best wishes for u min min …
if u start this i will ever ready to support U… not joking …
i am a bit serious…it will definitely helps million of people around this globe…
lastly ha ha…tq…@Minnii

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i did worse while drunk from alcohol, so now i just don’t get drunk, i can drink but i’m not going to get drunk, i don’t trust myself.

in that regard i believe alcohol to be more dangerous than psychosis

I don’t tell many I’m sz. I will express I have brain damage and leave it at that mostly. Ill talk about it to an extent but I’ve found many to be frightened and many to be bigots so I just go about my own biz the best I can

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Even professional people stigmatize us. The other day I was at the dietician. I had to disclose my meds that I take. The session was going fine untill I metioned to her I have a MI. She stopped our session in a hurry and I was only there for a half an hour for what was suppose to be an hour session. I normally tell people that I believe to be professionals such as my GP that I have sz. For the man on the street I tell nothing.
A nosy old lady cornered me this week and asked me why it is that I’m not working. I told her that I was medically boarded at my job. I did not tell her the reason. She said " you look fine to me…can’t you work at all?!" I told her no I can’t then I walked away. If I told her I was MI I would probably had to face her stigma since she can’t even handle a non working person. Stigma is real in my country. We have psychiatric hospitals and one of the most famous hospitals in my country is “Wes Koppies”. People here always say to someone that acts crazy…"that nutcase belongs in Wes Koppies! I really don’t want people to think of me as a nutcase which belong in the asylum that is why I do not tell people my diagnosis.

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I understand that and I can relate, its the same here… here in portugal we have “Julio de Matos” … Same thing.

I have encountered several situations. The one that stands out the most was when I went into the Small Business Administration’s offices to talk about any type of grants I might be able to get for my new startup business. I figured that since certain groups get grants because they are women or minorities, etc, that they might have something for someone with a mental disability. It made sense to me at the time.

So I finally get the nerve to ask if I might qualify for a grant based upon my mental status. The guy looks at me and says, “Son, don’t play that card.” In other words, the reference was that I was somehow in there to scam the government for some free money. I got up and walked at. I was so humiliated, I remember crying in the car.

Ever since that meeting, I don’t share my diagnosis with anyone, unless I really need to.

Ugh, that sucks! Sorry you had to go through that. It was an honest question.

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I’ve told some family members and a few friends. I haven’t told my husband’s family. I would like to post it on Facebook, but I’m afraid of negative reactions. I post articles about sz on FB but hardly anyone looks at them. I discovered the stigma in medical professionals when, just this past summer, I knew there was more going on with me besides Social Anxiefy Disorder, Depression and Bulimia. The therapist who first evaluated me said, " It certainly sounds like schizophrenia, and I encourage you to do research, but you don’t need another diagnosis". Like I already had strikes against me. She said that my knowing and looking into it myself should be enough, that if I could function then I shouldn’t seek a diagnosis. I told her, though, that I had avoided a diagnosis for years out of shame, and that I was ready to face whatever was really going on with me, and that I needed to know so I could deal honestly with myself. She referred me to a psychiatric clinic where I was diagnosed. Then, once I was diagnosed, I was immediately questioned about whether or not I had a gun, do I have an interest in guns, and do I intend to buy a gun… And then, I was warned to watch what I say because I will be committed if I say anything that made him think I was a danger. Apparently, I could say anything as a depressed, socially anxious person, but not as someone with sz. I stopped going to that clinic.

I coped with stigma by making waffles for breakfast. Well, I made waffles for breakfast and now I’m feeling good, so why worry about things beyond my control?

Pixel.

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Waffles sounds good!

Sounds like you were really unlucky there! Most pdocs are more sensible than that. Sorry you went through that.

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