Could the U.S. force treatment on mentally ill people (again)?

I know this may be triggering to some and maybe it’s too political, but I’m just fascinated by being back mental asylums. Though I’m adamant against forcing families to put them in institutions.

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Guy in the suit on the right looks like he could be staff or patient :grin:

I’m also mentally ill so I can make that joke :rofl:

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I used to think I’d be better off in a place like that

Know that people were treated badly in the past

But the idea of just being able to be part of a group and be with other people to help each other I would like

That’s I guess is on the amount of isolation that being in the community has

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It’s hard being completely independent, i struggle i have to admit,

I wouldn’t like to be stuck in an asylum though, although the thought of feeling safe, secure and supported 24/7 does appeal, not having to worry about food/drink.

I like my freedom, i would rather tough it out like i am doing in my community.

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I could handle being more isolated.

I make my wife crazy by being too independent. She freaks out when I go on eight hour river trips on my own.

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You are probably one of the most high function people on this forum

you have achieved a lot more than the normal person with this illness.

there are a lot of inspirational people on this forum.

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Sort of. I can tell jokes that I don’t understand. I know it’s a joke and I understand why others find it funny if I think about it, but I can’t personally connect to it. I do use humour a lot, but it’s a masking skill I have gotten good at.

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I was told i do this as will, its a coping strategy and its one of the better ones i think. humour and laughter helps to stay positive.

Yeah, I was pretty naive when I first entered the long term hospital at age 21. Ended up staying there 8 months. When I first got in I thought, “We are all in this together, we’re all going to help each other.” It was nothing like that. Sure, some people made friends and there were even some couples but basically it was every man for himself and no one was interested in helping me. It was a lot like the outside with cliques and popular people. I saw them sometimes hanging out together but I didn’t see anyone helping each other. We were 80 strangers, thrown together in a hospital and some people were even against you but most people were indifferent and couldn’t care less about you. There were some friendly people for sure but too few of them.

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The people who wanted to be friends with me always weirded me out. Like, you sit over there, I’ll sit over here, and we’re good. Okay? Okay.

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Some times I wonder when it fluctuates to perhaps being more tolerable to be around people I’d have that opportunity to at least try to be more sociable

It’s been a done deal for a long time but I guess I am more curious than anything

Sounds similar to the dynamic at the hospital

I did not like it at all

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I was wondering if a more long term hospital might have been better

The wards we have here are literally holding areas for people

It’s not a nice place

Was better in early 2000’s but I guess I was more out of my mind than I’d like to admit and probably didn’t notice the ■■■■

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“A growing chorus is blaming that for the crisis of mentally ill folks living on our streets.”
do people really think that :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

clearly its a financial issue… like homeless people wouldnt take houses if offered to them.

how about just having open housing or better disability for mentally ill people thats not forced. why are we forcing people to live somewhere and locking them up? Why not just invite them into a nice warm house. Sounds a lot more effective…

the system tends to jump between two extremes… “hey screw you, no money to house or feed you crazy people” or “hey screw you, were gonna force you to live in a house or hospital that costs us tens of thousands more because we have to hire doctors to watch over you.”"

why cant there just be an inbetween?

free meds and free housing for the mentally ill?

they do have that to a degree, and so we know it works… the people who are out on the streets are the people who were denied disability or their disability payments dont cover both food and shelter and meds.

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In college, I was a direct care worker at a group home for mentally disabled people. This was a nice, newer residential home in a nice area.

They were not mentally ill, but why couldn’t there be more group homes for severely mentally ill people? Groups homes put a roof over their head, and there are several people sharing the house, so possibly economical…

The direct care workers would make sure they were taking their meds and could assist them in every day life.

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i agree with that :slight_smile: would be a great option to have.

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Being real I use to think I would be better off in a ward because of my anger. These days I realize I would feel trapped and like I was in a prison. No music,… Not game dev… No choosing meals or anything.

It’s not a crime to be mentally ill …

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amen bro… unless someone is absolutely incapable of living on their own or with family this cannot happen again

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The money saved from closing the asylums (as they were called then) was supposed to be used to fund community-based facilities. The facilities were never built due, in part, to people not wanting them built near their homes. This became known as the NIMBY (not in my backyard) effect.

I think that some mentally ill people should receive treatment even if they don’t want it, but I’m concerned that the police will be ordered to arrest all homeless people and take them to a long-term psychiatric hospital for processing.

Long-term psychiatric hospitals foster a dependency on the hospital, which is the antithesis of reintegration. These facilities also reinforce stigma against people with mental illness. We’re “less than”. We’re segregated from the community, and as Justice Marshall said in 1954: Segregation is inherently unequal.

The rhetoric these days is that mentally ill homeless people belong in a long-term mental institution. No, they just belong.

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its truly sad how we’ve been treated historically… you know in the medieval times trhey talk about the lepers (people with skin conditions) being the outcasts of society… sometimes i feel like that… very unfair…

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