One character in the movies that really irritates me is that sensitive killer, that boy scout kung fu expert who is so wonderful you can’t stand it. Don’t get me wrong. There are tough guy characters I do like. I loved the movie “Cindarella Man” because in that movie the character was more nuanced and was actually engaging. In the movie “Lethal Weapon” there are only about ten reminders in every scene how wonderful this guy is. I liked Micky Rouark in “The Wrestler”. That is a really good perspective on the tough guy character. The character Elias in “Platoon” is one tough guy I can get misty eyed about. Val Kilmer in “Tombstone” was just sappy.
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Ah, give him a break. Sappy? Talk about a nuanced character. Loyal, funny, brave as hell, probably intelligent since he studied dentistry, knew about life. Heck, he stuck a six inch knife in some guys leg to the hilt and killed the well known Johnny Ringo while still making jokes. Sounds pretty un-sappy to me. One of my favorite characters in a movie.
Everything about that kind of character is so wonderful. It’s like eating baloney. It is good at first, but you quickly get a bad tasted in your mouth.
Elias is someone I remember too…Platoon is one great movie…so is Dead Presidents…and Apocalypse Now…
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Haha, I thought of you @77nick77 when I saw this in his post earlier. I remembered you posting clips from Tombstone before. Not surprised that you commented. 
. I liked Tombstone as well.
Yes. I agree whole heartedly.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. There’s a reason some critics call that movie one of the best westerns ever.
I liked “Unforgiven” with Clint Eastwood as far as westerns go also.
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Or “The Outlaw Josie Wales”?
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That one was a little before my time but I think I have seen bits and pieces of it. I was 3 years old when it came out so…
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Pale Rider is my favorite Clint movie…
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That is “some” critics. I did like the movie as a whole, but the character of Doc Holiday is kind of one dimensional. He is SO compelling, and that kind of thing can put me off. It’s maudlin. It’s overdone. .
I liked the scene where Clint is trying to mount a horse in front of his kids. He keeps falling down, and his daughter says, “Did pa used to kill people?” She’s not expressing dismay, She is expressing skepticism. She is saying “I don’t think that guy could hurt a butterfly.” That movie has a lot of different takes on the gunfighters of the day.
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When you realise that the majority of movies put out by Hollywood are just American propaganda, it kind of takes the edge off its appeal. 
If you judged just by watching the movies you’d think America won World War II single handedly. Russia lost fifty times as many people as us. They killed eighty percent of the Germans.
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Every John carpenter movie is basically a remake of Rio bravo. Is a great movie
That isn’t to say that America did not play a vital role in World War II. We built a multi million man army and got it across the Atlantic to fight the Germans. American manufacturing was vital to the war effort. And there were a lot of Americans who fought bravely. They deserve their acclaim.
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