Open Dialogue: reflections on the model and the evidence

You can’t work in mental health services for too long without hearing about Open Dialogue.

There certainly aren’t a shortage of bold claims about the model of care used to treat psychosis in a small pocket of Finland, for example, as the Open Dialogue UK website states:

‘They have the best documented outcomes in the Western World. For example, around 75% of those experiencing psychosis have returned to work or study within 2 years and only around 20% are still taking antipsychotic medication at 2 year follow-up’.

And as a well-publicised play inspired by the model suggests, there is a rumour that they have actually eradicated schizophrenia in Western Lapland. These are substantial claims – so substantial that a seriously hard objective look at both their model and the evidence for its success is required to verify them. I wasn’t able to find such an interrogative assessment online, so I thought I’d write one myself.

“I need to say from the outset, I found the evidence base to be thin. Very, very thin. Whereas a single drug needs to be tested on hundred if not thousands of people to get anywhere near the marketplace, the amount of patients that Open Dialogue has been given to in quantitative studies appears to total 64, and the studies are of poor methodological quality.”

My aim is to contribute to a transparent, honest discussion about what the effective parts of Open Dialogue might be, and how confident we can be of that. There has been a lot of fervour about this approach, but we also need an impartial examination of the facts. Please do leave comments underneath the post.

I want to make a disclaimer straight away: Yes, I am a psychiatrist, but no, I am neither a particular fan of medication nor a particular hater of talking therapy. I try to appraise the evidence for both objectively. What I am not a fan of is a treatment of any kind being pushed harder than the evidence base should permit. Our patients deserve treatments that have been rigorously proven to work, whatever they may be.

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I came across this approach recently, as I am sure others have too, and the results in Finland cannot but leave you interested. However, as this blogpost argues, evidence is thin and methods can be questioned. That’s not to say it doesn’t have anything to offer I’d think, just that we don’t really know.

This blogpost mentioned a trial in the UK. I wonder if our UK-based members have picked up on any news on this recently? @firemonkey @Jimbob @asgoodasitgets if I am correct.

I have not heard of it. But maybe @firemonkey and @asgoodasitgets have?

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This might be of interest to those in the UK. http://opendialogueapproach.co.uk/
http://www.nelft.nhs.uk/aboutus-initiatives-opendialogue

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I remember watching a documentary some months ago about the Open Dialogue approach in Finland.

Here is the link to the documentary on youtube

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The trouble with open dialogue is that supporters of it hype up the very limited database as to its effectiveness.

Yes that’s why I was curious about the UK programme… But seems it is too early for results from that trial. Apparently there is something in New York called ‘parachute’ that is similar, but I think I recall it launching when I was already a member here… that’d be in the last two years so perhaps also a bit early for the results that matter.

Open dialogue sounds like a great idea. Sadly I don’t think it would be any use to me as I get very ill these days. I would of liked to of seen its effects on me in my first episode when I feel I wasn’t as bad.

I’m now attempting a full recovery which is going to take 6 years and if unsuccessful it would be one of my few options left. Hopefully it becomes available in years to come.

it sounds like the person centred approach but on steroids involving every aspect of the patients care and i think that would be a great thing to incorporate into patient care over here.

if it has better outcomes them i am all for it, a life free from meds and psychosis would be amazing

i am forever the optimist though :slight_smile:

Doubt you can be free from psychosis. The goal is to be able to cope.