The Mind that "Consumes" its Mind

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The thing that people see about the sz is that the sz’s mind has “de-individualized” its own self or own mind.

They see that, and they do not understand why.

Religions and sci fi suggest that the mind is not only its individual self. It’s a sucker’s game, and anyone that strongly believes in their own individualized mind who watches people fall for that trap mark them in memory. It’s so common that it is something of an economic resource or stratagem of sorts.

Simply to believe that the thoughts that come from the dark of your mind are not your own is de-individualization with yourself. To begin to believe they come from you is individualization with yourself.

In other words you are either 2 or more minds, or you are one mind. One is skhizen and the other is one. I wish I had an ancient greek word for “oneness” the opposite of skhizen. :slight_smile:

Picture the yin and yang but without any telepathy or supernatural things.

Picture that the yin which is the dark side is the subconscious, and the light side is the yang, and it represents what is being aware of such as vision, hearing, feelings, thoughts, memories etc.

The subconscious is like a computer CPU, hard drive, and internet lines running to the eyes, ears, skin, tongue, and nose. The awareness is like a computer image and speaker sounds, but in fact awareness has many more kinds of displays besides visual and audio. Feelings can show you things, and with them you can reverse engineer what they mean. Pain and hunger are good examples. You know what those computed outputs mean, and you know how to turn them off.

Now that you have read that read this definition of the colors of yin yang. Please don’t get carried away into any religions suggestions or meanings that you might have heard before except the above information I’ve explained :slight_smile:

“This symbol is divided into two parts, one of white or clear color (Yang energy) and the other of black or dark colour (Yin energy), an undulating line divides the two sections so that when the Yang part increases the Yin part decreases, and viceversa when the Yin part increases the Yang decreases.”

I’m going to try to explain something a little complex.

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The dragon in that picture represents an ouroboros which conceptually originated from the symbol of the snake eating its tail that originated in ancient Egypt.

In this description let’s represent the mind with the symbol of the ouroborus seen in the picture, and the subconscious dark and aware light parts of the symbol which the ouroborus wraps around.

The dark area is the computational mind that is out of reach. The light area is the mind that is in reach including what we are remembering, feeling, thinking, seeing, hearing, smelling etc.

The mind like the ouroborus sucks in all of the information that it is aware of in the light side of the symbol, and then it takes that information into the dark side of the symbol where the information is computed with the formal logic of the brain’s physical workings, and it then returns to the light side which is where the workings of the awareness are…

…as the form of mind that was computed in the dark side of the symbol with the information that was sucked only a moment ago by the mind when it was on the light side of the symbol.

The mind in short comes out of the dark subconscious in its aware form…

…based on the information that was computed by the physical subconscious…

…which was take into the dark by the awareness only a moment ago.

This happens over and over.

But to be exact information feeds come from the 5 external sense organs, the memory, and…

…awareness. This is where the different kinds of sensations are sensing each other which in turn feeds the dark subconscious thus forms the awareness in a continuous cycle.

Here’s a little saying:

What the mind dragon eats before sun down will be what the mind dragon thinks at sunrise.

De-individualization:

What a split in the mind is or a parting with the mind as though it were two minds is basically the light side no longer will accept the dark side as itself, so that becomes like our dragon symbol before sun down and when the sunrises the dragon does not believe it is itself.

Because what the dragon mind thinks before the mind transitions into subconscious dark the dragon mind takes the shape of in conscious awareness light.

So if the dragon has said that what is from the dark of the mind is telepathy, it will return to the light awareness in the form of the believe and perception of the sensations that we experience in conscious awareness…

…as not its own making. It believes that its own effects are foreign and invasive.

If the effects of conscious awareness are only telepathic transmissions from people, ghosts, deities, aliens, and technologies which is total pretend, the what in the mind is them, and what in the mind is self? You can’t distinguish the two apart, thus the de-individualization process has occurred. The mind does not distinguish itself from supposed others because the form that our dragon mind symbol has taken is the form of mind that shows a world where it, the mind, is the mind of the others that are broadcasting thoughts.

In the de-individualized form of mind the thoughts are no longer a simulation of the external and internal environment, but the mind literally shows them as being absolutely, undeniably…

…AS the external environment…

…of other minds whether people or non-people.

It’s a very exciting phenomenon to say the least… :slight_smile:

…especially when you can see it so clearly…

…while it is actually happening in your own mind. :slight_smile:

The snake is an animal that can eat itself if it does not realize that it is itself.

The snake is a phenomenal state of reality that carries a natural logicality about its nature that gives it the ability “consume itself” if the snake is not aware that it is itself.

The human mind is a phenomenal field that carries a natural logicality about in nature that gives it the ability “consume itself” so to speak if the mind is not aware that it is itself.

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Very interesting stuff. Maybe de individualization stems from the hemispheres in the brain not communicating properly or are not in sync. Sorry I think I accidentally flagged your post, I tried to like it but the like button is invisible for me atm

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Maybe a more marginalized pair of hemispheres would make it easier.

I think it is a simpler concept though. The mind is simulating reality, and it is simulating its self so to speak. It has to show you you and everyone else and reality, so it is kind of divided up.

It can de-individualize with a car, so that the driver and the car are not noticeably separate at times. The same is true of clothes.and shoes or even fake rubber hands.

I think to really understand what this means one has to look into the computer science field for at least one year.

Something I’ve been thinking about now are the singers who have said that when they are on stage they feel like they are possessed, and that possession is what guides them through the shows. They also think that it is like demons or satan which there is no such thing.

What I believe it in literal sense and not mental simulation metaphor which the brains are good at making as they are only informational rhetoricians if you will understand that…

…what I believe is going on with those singers is that they have been de-individualized for so long, and they have used so many drugs, that there is a kind of “reverb personality” that their metaphory rhetorician brain organ plays back to them after years of continuously being other people’s puppet.

A brain becomes a puppet by external reality. What is happening externally is controlling the brain to a minor or great degree like a puppet with a hand directly in it so to speak. After many years of this kind of thing in their given practice of being a long vowel rhetorician or singer scientist, they brain may simply provide it’s own puppet hand via means of the memory.

There are three sources of information to the brain: External Senses, Memory, and Mental Facilitates Sensing other Mental Faculties via their Mental Sensations they produce. So with the memory of what they have done for so long, and the multi sensation cross feedback going on at exponential levels and rates…

…I can see how the brain becomes its own puppet hand.

It’s many years of being the crowds, fans, band mates, friends…all of the time. That is chronic de-individuation.

Also a last note is that youth that wind up being musical for several years build the connections between the hemispheres very strongly. These rock stars would have very strong neural bridges between their hemispheres, so I would suspect that your theory of de-individuation being caused by the two hemis being out of synch to be improbable. :slight_smile:

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One thing I can add after I did a quick look up on de-individuation is where this concept is used in other fields besides psychology.

Psychology is an informational field not simply a medical field. The brain is an information processor, and that is its only function as an organ appendage to the rest of the system of organs.

Therefore it is necessary to understand logic and information phenomena in order to understand “mind mechanics.”

When de-individuation and individuation is applicable to industrial systems an example can be the ontological systemic nomenclature for a single component and the phenomena involved with it as a separate entity. Then the ontological systemic nomenclature is systemically different for the larger system with many parts and phenomena in full swing.

Per Jung the individuation and de-individuation is about a mind being its own mind vs. it being a group of minds such as in group think. So immediately you can see an individual mind as a single phenomenon and a group system of minds as a systemic phenomenon in full swing.

And since the mind is nothing more than informational rhetoric computed arbitrarily by a brain organ, it is a field of informational values of several mental faculties which makes it more complex than a simple video display and speaker system such as on the TV or Computer system. The computed outputs or mental sensations come in over 20 varieties from the brain’s mental faculties.

So it’s over 20 ratios because each mental sensation kind is simply informational rhetoric produced by the brain physiologically and each continuously “phrasing and rephrasing” similar to computer rhetoric where it is framing and re-framing or what they call “frames per second” rates.

Each sensation is an on going ratio, and they can cross pollinate each other with information which adds an exponential effect to that informational mind ratio constantly evolving giving a sense of self, mind, and time.

So when you look at the whole thing is is a ratio of over 20 ratios of constant change and constantly affecting each other informationally that “ratiomatically.”

This is a phenomenon I have named Ratiomente which is Latin for Ratio Mind, and it is the phenomenal reason why the good things about the mind exist and the bad things such as faulty individuation/de-individuation processes and any of the kinds of mental propriocetion faults such as visiopropriocption, audioproprioception, socioproprioception, bodioproprioception, emotiproprioception…

One thing I have noticed is that this faulty ratiomente field is something that is commonly ruddered around and about in conversation so frequently that I have looked into the effects of this, and I have concluded that it is the basis for most of civilization’s cultural nature and history. Ratiomente is core; rudimentary to anthropology.

It’s a unique phenomenon, and…

…so is the ability of a snake to eat its own tail if it does not realize that it is itself psychologically. It’s tail is all to capable physically of reaching its mouth, and…

…in regards to human ratiomente the mind is all to capable of de-individuation with itself in regards to its extramente and especially socioproprioception to the point that it can relearn a whole new system of sociopropriation (not socioproprioception) that can form a whole cultural and delusional paradigmatic phenomenon within the domains of that brain’s rhetorical mind field.

It’s so stupid. :roll_eyes: At the same time it’s so amazing. :thinking:

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I also realize the more music I play, the more sane I feel, and I also read how it can give you a good balance between hemispheres.

I would associate de-individualization of yourself as a psychotic feature judging by your definition… strong strains of Marijuana have been shown to damage the connection between hemispheres, and they can also cause psychosis, so maybe there is some correlation between hemispheres not communicating properly and de individualization of oneself?

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Your first sentence reminded me of this

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You have a strong case.

I lean towards the de-individuation and re-individuation phasing in and out of the mind is something that is an inherent consequence of being ratiomente. When you understand literally what the mind is or what it is doing regardless of consideration of the brain organ itself, you can see that it is something like an old primitive technology that has downside effects to it, but if not, then it isn’t even possible for a mind to be in the first place.

There isn’t a perfect mind phenomenon. There is a primitive mind phenomenon, and I most definitely consider the mind a primitive “technology” if you will understand that.

As far as the scz phenomenon goes and the de-individuation your case could be the actual situation there, but I don’t think it is very far flung to assume that over the course of many years in an fakey telepathy belief delusion about self and reality that this would hone and hone and hone the brain to hold that “de-individuated” state of mind where all mind is from outside of the mind, therefore there is no inside of the mind left.

In my experience this was day and night and day and night all the time. I couldn’t stop focusing on this de-individuated mental pose to save my life because brain was creating a mental environment in which it could not look away, and re-individuate.

I think probably roughly 7 years it would take to get a real, morbid, classic case of scz going in a brain without any drug assistance. I think 3 years with drug assistance.

You have to sustain the practice and perception in that de-individuated state of mind long enough to get to structure the memory and structure the neural paths for computing information that is necessary to create that delusional mental environment that scz’ are in. It’s conditioning, and the drugs enhance and enforce the conditioning.

Also if there are people that know how the world has easily been fooled into believing there is an invisible phenomenon called telepathy whether with psychics, priests, deities etc, they can act as though they are telepathic to someone that wants to believe in telepathy in order to screw with them or intentionally screw them up.

In ancient times a lot of the emperors or “cult kings” would assume the role of divine deity, and therefore they were telepathic. So scz was easy to make back then. A lot of people thought they were hearing the voices of the emperor and being mind controlled.

So the way that people are influencing the subject is going to increase the rate at which the subject becomes completely in the delusional state of scz without any aids nor reversibility to re-individuate as the self is the self and only the self again.

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Very interesting and very true.

I was practicing a speech last night for 4 hours, and I was mentioning something like that being the reason for the shape of civilization today and 10,000 years from now based on the way it was managed 6,000 years ago. The shape of it today is not possible without the shape of it in the past.

I mainly was going over why so many people believe in telepathy, and why they were led to believe in that long ago.

Telepathy is a fake phenomenon. What it suggests is that you can control things with the mind without any kinetic energy substance between the mind and the object. That isn’t even possible to do with our hands and feet. Computers can’t even do it without shooting stuff between their antennas.

The hoax of telepathic deities, beings, and psychics suggest control without physical transmission. WIFI is a physical transmission. So is FM, AM, and Satellite.

The kicker is that this belief has been purported for thousands of years, and the majority of the world believes it is real.

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