Scientology - Antipsychiatry

I recently read an article about kristie alley and she did several tweets about abilify and thinking they are marketing to children. Scientologist believe that a person doesn’t need medication and just because they did research on it they believe they are experts just because they know how to use google. Anyway i just think if you are anti meds fine i respect your stance just respect mine and know i will continue to take my medication, I honestly believe i wouldn’t be here today if it wasn’t for psychiatric meds.

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Yes - the Scientologists / CCHR are very anti-psychiatry. I think that the founder of the “religion” was actually committed and had a bad experience with psychiatrists when he was younger - thus, perhaps the organization’s stance.

Its a very inaccurate belief - based on extreme beliefs without science behind it.

Here is more info:

News Stories:

SCIENTOLOGY’S WAR AGAINST PSYCHIATRY
http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/002029.html

TOM CRUISE OFFICIALLY CRITICIZED, HUBBARD HAD SCHIZOPHRENIA
http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/002374.html

Ron Hubbard Insane, Says His Wife
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/sfchronicle-hubbard-042451.htm

“L. Ron Hubbard was addicted to psychiatric drugs from an early age until the day he died. Even though he told his followers not to take psychiatric drugs, he did so himself to the extent that he was addicted to them.”
http://www.ronthenut.org/beg.htm

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Yep they are a bunch of nut cases.

I’m not against the psychiatric institution or the therapy they provide even though some of my comments sound like it.

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Sounds like Jimmy Swaggart the Pentecostal preacher who preached constantly against pornography and prostitution, yet he himself was participating in those evils…

Funny, Scientology is one belief system I shun, and reject most of its teachings… for example:

The Church of Scientology holds that at the higher levels of initiation (“OT levels”), mystical teachings are imparted that may be harmful to unprepared readers. These teachings are kept secret from members who have not reached these levels. The church says that the secrecy is warranted to keep its materials’ use in context and to protect its members from being exposed to materials they are not yet prepared for

can we say secret society here?

Among these advanced teachings is the story of Xenu (sometimes Xemu), introduced as the tyrant ruler of the “Galactic Confederacy”. According to this story, 75 million years ago Xenu brought billions of people to Earth in spacecraft resembling Douglas DC-8 airliners, stacked them around volcanoes and detonated hydrogen bombs in the volcanoes.

Ok, I might believe ancient aliens & angels visited earth and there are even hints to ancient nuclear wars in the Indian scriptures, however 75 million years ago? DC-8 airliners from space? Bombs in volcanoes? Does he also say that’s what killed the dinosaurs?
Sorry, I’m not going for it…

I don’t know if Mr. Hubbard had schizophrenia; but, if he did, this is yet another example of a creative schizophrenic. :slight_smile: Did he use his creativity well or wisely? I don’t think that is for me to decide.

I’ve read a lot books but Hubbards I could never get into.

I was walking downtown a couple years back. A guy was standing in front of a building that said “Scientology” on it. He started talking to me and invited me inside. He gave me the whole spiel and showed me a 15 minute film on Scientology. We talked some more and It came out that I have schizophrenia. With all the confidence in the world he told me that Scientology could help me more than psychiatry. He also told me to stop taking my meds. I eventually got out of there but I thought he was totally out of line for telling me stop my meds. I thought it was inappropriate and VERY irresponsible of him. If I would have been a more impressionable person he could really have screwed me up.

Scientology says that those aliens that came to earth millions of years ago exploded, sending pieces of their bodies into mankind that stuck to them, and those pieces are the cause of all mankinds problems.
One has to “psychically remove” all pieces from themselves in levels to become healthy again.

I say if it works for you, fine, but DO NOT push your beliefs onto others, or ostrasize anyone for getting help that isn’t by them.especially if they didn’t ask for help.

I personally think they need meds…Brrrrrr

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While I do not take meds and believe a lot of people could use alternative treatments rather than be on meds, I would not tell someone just stop like that. It’s dangerous to stop cold turkey. While a very few people have done that, most wean off over time. Many meds cause withdrawals if you just quit, especially if you have been on them for years. I’ve seen 3 people go through the weaning process and it took from 2 weeks to a month…even then they went through some problems, one even had seizures from benzos. It happened mostly when they cut down from 1/4 dose to 1/8 and 1/8 dose to nothing.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again man.

That s**t should be considered criminal because some people ABSOLUTELY need medication not just for their own well being but also for those around them.

I know… :frowning:

What is so twisted about that teaching is that no matter what theory of origins you look at, humans were not here 75 million years ago…I don’t believe evolution theory but that theory only places humans at the earliest a little over 2 million years. (Homo Habilis)
Creation theory varies anywhere from 6,000 years to 100,000 years.
Ancient alien, panspermia theories go back 400,000 years more or less.

Scientology to my knowledge is the ONLY system that say humans were on earth 75 million years ago!

See, no humans, no aliens, no H bombs in the volcanoes…

http://www.vueweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/film-walking-with-dinosaurs2.jpg

The thing with cutting meds is it’s a very inexact process unless your pdoc gradually reduces the dosage you take ie zyprexa going down 20-17.5 - 15 - 12.5 etc.
DIY by cutting up a current dose is hit and miss in terms of 1/2 1/4 and 1/8.
Of course if you are on a liquid med that can be measured it’s going to be slightly more accurate.

Exactly why I medicate myself according to my needs.

I cut out the middle man cuz who knows my TRUE state of mind RIGHT NOW better than me?

Granted, it is approximate when cutting a tablet… a little more accurate when emptying the powder of a capsule and separating it by volume. The whole point is a reduction in the amount taken over a period of time. Pill cutters would come in handy with the tablets.

I paid about $4.00 for a pill cutter at the drugstore. It has really come in handy

I was watching the History channel “Americas book of secrets” on Scientology and it is like if you want out you are isolated from existing family members and friends still in the church.

The Scientology church is known for control issues. Might as well call it mind control. You seriously would have to brainwash someone to shun their own family just for abandoning the church.
I must say though, there are a few independent Christian churches that do same… I was targeted by one in the past. I even commented 'you guys act more like Scientologists!"

I have heard in the scientific community (physics to be exact) that there as been a discovery that could possibly mean in fact we are dealing with several dimensions here. They are think earth is actually is inside a bubble within the universe.
I’m not quite ready to write off all my experiences as delusions and hallucinations. Don’t get me wrong. I’m pro medication but not really into the common practice of over medicating.

Just when I had given up on you @e_lunaseer you finally show us something you don’t believe. I’m actually pretty pleased about this. Now, if you’d only see that all that other stuff is just as unreal as Xenu.