Schiz as an Extreme form of Ego Defense Against Cultural Conditioning?

Gregory Bateson, Paul Watzlawick, Jules Henry, Don Jackson, Jay Haley, Virginia Satir, Theodore Lidz, Stephen Fleck, R. D. Laing, Aaron Esterson and others were somewhat onto this in the '50s and '60s. (You can Google them all to see for yourself.) In only slightly varying ways, they all asserted from direct experience with hundreds (aggregately thousands) of supposed “schizophrenics” that “concentrated” versions of common cultural insanity were “introjected” (lookitup) from “crazy-making” families that were just marginally sane themselves. They all schiz as a combination of ego fracturing and extreme ego-defense systems designed to protect the schizophrenic from being “double bound” with “crazy ideas” resulting in “intolerable terror.”

But when I (anyway) read the case histories (and I have read – and charted – hundreds), what I see is common, almost universally socialized, unconsciously customary, subtly normalized, mid-20th century beliefs in whatever the authorities were dishing out.

Examples given: “One should be thoroughly competent, adequate, and achieving in all possible respects if one is to consider oneself worthwhile.” “It is awful and catastrophic when things are not the way one would very much like them to be.” “If something is or may be dangerous or fearsome one should be terribly concerned about it and should keep dwelling on the possibility of its occurring.” “It is easier to avoid than to face certain life difficulties and self-responsibilities.” “One should be dependent on others and have someone stronger than oneself on whom to rely.” “One should become quite upset over other people’s problems and disturbances.” “There is invariably a right, precise, and perfect solution to human problems and that it is catastrophic if this perfect solution is not found.”

There are thousands more, of course. We teach our children by example to believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, ghosts and goblins, the complete accuracy of what is written (or seen on TV), the perfect functionality and/or largess of public agencies, and that “our” group (or race, or culture) is “better” than “theirs.”

A lot of people get past the obvious baloney, and we call them “normal” or “functional.” But almost no one I have ever known has gotten past all of it. Most of us, it seems, will go to our graves believing in all manner of things that just aren’t true, if for no other reason than that we sense the truth – when it actually is the truth – and then hang onto it for dear life long after it is obviously no longer the case.

Charles Tart and Arthur Deikman called it the “consensus trance.” The Buddhist masters call it “being asleep.” The existentialists just call it belief. I call it the “inter-generational, ever-increasing concentration of accepted b******t” until it’s concentrated enough to tip someone over.

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Good post. Very interesting. Im a huge believer in Laing, and I fit the bill perfectly.

I tried this stuff back in the 60’s.

It just makes things worse.

Don’t go there.

Instead of dismantling your ego you should be building it up by successful actions in the real world.

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‘Cultural conditioning’ thats an instinctive response from persons that experience psychosis. recovery is based in logic and reason and can run contrary to instincts. Stuff that feels instinctively right or true can land a person in a big big mess.

Its more difficult being rational and logic when off meds, because then you have feelings that are supressed with meds.

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Its more difficult being rational and logic when off meds, because then you have feelings that are supressed with meds.
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This is one main thing I don’t like about meds - they block out my feelings and I think it is damaging.

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You know the new Robocop movie? He only becomes a robot when the scientist shuts down his dopamine production. Worth a thought.

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I don’t think that Schizophrenia is a response to “Cultural Conditioning”.

But I do think that illnesses on a lesser scale namely Delusional Disorder, Anxiety Disorder could be due to the problems dealing with Dis-functional parents/family, Rotten cultures and attempts to get out of it.

The bigger problem is that before someone on a Delusional Disorder even makes an attempt to start a recovery, He is given Medications and then all is back to square one.

If someone recovers from his illness (without Meds) he/she would then be able to transform others suffering in similar conditions.

The Buddha calls it as “SANKHARA” – Conditioned Mental formations.

Most of Humanity is living in what Buddha calls as is “Darkness”. For some the conditioning is of the Religion, for others it could be Basic Desire for Money, Power, Position etc. Each is clinging onto something and all of them are unfortunately “wrong” and will be heading to their graves in Misery.

Being Mentally Ill could be a blessing in disguise if one is able to use that it in the correct manner and come out of their illness. They could make an immense difference in the world.

Isn’t this a bit too simple?
Would it really change much if we noticed and changed such false beliefs?
I know I have changed many of mine, and keep doing so at a steady pace, but it’s not making me any less schizophrenic. It does make me happier though.

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@saurav1 How is going without meds helping with your major delusion? Will we soon see a stop to all those one topic threads you make?

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I hope so.

Have a plan to deal with this.