@Apotheosis are u working right now…
No. Have been out of work/not able to work for 14 years.
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There is also all this - But it’s all best swept under the carpet with a good healthy dose of complete Denial -
“It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine” – Marcia Angell from 2009 article “Drug Companies & Doctors: A Story of Corruption“, published in The New York Review of Books
— Marcia Angell is an MD and author. She was the first woman to serve as editor-in-chief of The New England Journal of Medicine – it is considered one of the most prestigious peer-reviewed medical journals in the world.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2009/jan/15/drug-companies-doctorsa-story-of-corruption/
I appreciate how much detective work it takes to be able to parse out the chicken #### from the chicken salad, but it is possible. “Psychiatry” is neither “all bad” nor “all good.” It is just what it is when it is what it is.
Can we also let go of the idea of “permanence?” For it is our belief in permanence – that things are still as they were or will be as they are now – that makes us mad in a world of constant change.
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It’s very possible. I’d hesitate to voice a personal opinion on this, I’d love to see a real study on this for sz in terms of the effect of a therapeutic cure. Certainly I recall seeing studies on first episode psychosis which quite categorically found that the best long term prognosis was to take meds for the short term, then come off them and live med free over the long term. If sz is a prolonged psychosis or set of recurrent episodes, you’d expect to see the same.
It makes me wonder what the course of the disease might be for those who were medicated for each psychosis, but then came off the meds in a reasonably short time afterwards. For cases where there are recurrent episodes this might lead to fewer med side effects in the long term. But I don’t think the drugs companies will finance such a study, and there are relatively few other sources of funding, so it may never get done.
I think a bigger barrier to a real Jungian-style cure may be the insurers, who are ultimately going to have to foot the bill. Assume that there was a patient uprising, and there was a demand for this kind of treatment. Then assume the psychiatrists could be found to provide it. You still need to find insurers willing to pay for what could be years of treatment in probably specialist communities. A year of treatment can pay for a lot of medication…
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Thanks for the reply. After 30 years i still feel & always have felt that a comprehensive psychotherapy would have/would best help. That doesn’t rule out a wise use of medication.
Of course, i think it also matters when people get proper help/support - ideally it’s better earlier.
Still - all this argument/debate goes nowhere - & i can’t change the current system/society in relation to it all. It’s all as it is.
Feel in ways that the dye is cast in my own case.
Still you could try and leave a legacy. Try and work out what would be the ideal and close to financially viable setup to treat cases of sz. Divining the full integral strategy of treatments across the various levels would be a fair job, and you might find a PhD student interested in writing a paper on it.
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That sounds like a good idea. i’d like to write a book - Lay out everything as i see it, without all the debate/argument - & put forward a comprehensive/integral view. Then it’s out there & whatever with it all.
Am bored with all the polemics around all this area - & it seems pointless to keep engaging with it all.
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The problem is it’s all fuked -
Editors of World’s Most Prestigious Medical Journals: “Much of the Scientific Literature, Perhaps HALF, May Simply Be Untrue"…
Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine are the two most prestigious medical journals in the world.
It is therefore striking that their chief editors have both publicly written that corruption is undermining science.
The editor in chief of Lancet, Richard Horton, wrote last month:
Much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness. As one participant put it, “poor methods get results”. The Academy of Medical Sciences, Medical Research Council, and Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council have now put their reputational weight behind an investigation into these questionable research practices. The apparent endemicity [i.e. pervasiveness within the scientific culture] of bad research behaviour is alarming. In their quest for telling a compelling story, scientists too often sculpt data to fit their preferred theory of the world. Or they retrofit hypotheses to fit their data. Journal editors deserve their fair share of criticism too. We aid and abet the worst behaviours. Our acquiescence to the impact factor fuels an unhealthy competition to win a place in a select few journals. Our love of “significance” pollutes the literature with many a statistical fairy-tale. We reject important confirmations. Journals are not the only miscreants. Universities are in a perpetual struggle for money and talent, endpoints that foster reductive metrics, such as high-impact publication. National assessment procedures, such as the Research Excellence Framework, incentivise bad practices. And individual scientists, including their most senior leaders, do little to alter a research culture that occasionally veers close to misconduct.
Part of the problem is that no-one is incentivised to be right.
The system may be screwed right now, but you could leave a vision of how it should be, and a set of reasons why it should work. There may not be many who are incentivised to get it right, but there are some - students of Jung, therapists in open dialogue, therapists who are part of the Integral Thinking movement - you might be able to find some allies in those areas, and leave a signpost for the future.
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Hi thanks for that post!
Having read that I’ve come off esomeprazole
A stomach acid proton pump inhibitor which I’ve tried to come off before, and which I’ve repeatedly spoken to lots of different gps about side effects where what I have read on line worries me and without it the problem came back
I’m also doing an elimination diet for allergies also starting today
I’ve taken 5 antacid tablets and only eaten plain foods - risotto rice on its own, fruit, veg something gluten free and fish
I know I have to give up all spicy food, ( which i could eat every day ) which is heartbreaking
I’ll never be able to have red wine again
I don’t however think that drugs as potent and proven benefits as antipsychotic meds should be lumped in with things like anti anxiety drugs
I’d be dead without them, long ago
Be careful what you wish for.
I prayed for some stuff and surprisingly I got what I prayed for but in a twisted sorta way, like that commercial where the guy asks the genie for a million bucks and gets a bunch of deers kinda like that.
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[quote]I felt deeply committed, passionate, and certain that creating a space for people to come together and share their common experiences could only create a positive result.
Today this dream has been validated and confirmed via a presentation of research results by the evaluation team from the Human Services Research Institute (HSRI), led by Bevin Croft. The findings were presented to a room filled with County staff, providers from various agencies, peer staff, current and former program guests, family members, and neighbors.
While I sat and listened to Bevin present her findings I couldn’t hold back my tears. Her report was so positive and affirming that all I could do was cry with joy.[/quote]
Rest in Link.
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