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Lewis Carroll had a fascination with drawing and photographing nude children, mostly little girls in compromising poses. :exploding_head: His book Alice in wonderland was inspired by a real Alice. Some say he may have loved this little girl. He would also take young girls down the river Thames and tell them fantastical stories. I mean this is not ok. People look past this because he wrote a great book. Goes to show, just because you wrote a great book, doesn’t make you a great person. There’s a photo of this Alice with her hand on her hip and her nipple showing.

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I’m obsessed with Alice in wonderland! I collect memorabilia!
We’re all mad here!!!

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I have the book and movies. It’s so strange what people believed back then.

No stranger then what some people believe now! You have read this forum, right? Lol! :crazy_face::crazy_face::crazy_face:

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You’re right. This is such a strange world we live in. :crazy_face:

It was pretty common to take nude photos of your children back then. They weren’t considered sexy, but innocent. They also took pictures with dead family members. Called it mori momento.

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Oh my lord :cold_sweat:
Alice’s adventure in wonderland is 1 of my favorites…
I search goolge and there a lot of website talking about that…
omg is it real, just can’t believe it

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Uh this Lewis man was not family. One of the girl’s was a prepubescent showing her breasts bloomed and all. Like a full on frontal. Another photo I saw was of this Lewis kissing the young Alice, she was a 4 year old.

I know he wasn’t. He was a family friend. I’m just saying the nude kid photos was a thing back then.

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Definitely eye opening in our age. Took me by surprise. He did have a falling out with the Lyddle family, Alice’s family. Wonder if his behavior had anything to do with it. :thinking: I know you said it was normal back then, because the age of consent was 11, but kissing 4 year olds is brow raising.

A lot of things Victorians did seem strange. Men used to share beds quite often and had closer relationships than now. To the point people argue over whether certain figures were gay or not. Abe Lincoln for instance.

Today everything is sexualized. Nothing is innocent. Of course there were many that probably took advantage of that innocence. Like you said 11 was able to consent. Marriage happened young.

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Interesting… :yum::thinking::face_with_monocle:

Yeah. I remember that in my Victorian lit. class, Victorians used to view children as ‘innocent figures’. This is in fact in a lot of books. Photographing/drawing children nude was symbolizing an innocence that could not be captured when they are older, and it was not sexual.

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The most kind hearted people are the most sickest, imo.

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A lot of great writers were awful people. F. Scott Fitzgerald and Fyodor Dostoyevsky were horrible people. Edgar Allen Poe wrote “Annabelle Lee” about his thirteen year old cousin. A lot of great writers also lead miserable lives. A lot of them died young from alcoholism. Poe died on the street looking for opium.

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Yeah. Just because they were famous doesn’t mean they weren’t creepy people. A good reason you shouldn’t celebrate celebrity. I swear for a period of the nineties there were people getting famous for doing sex tapes. Like wtf? It’s not something to be known or get famous from!

Even if your sz you know what is right from wrong. Sometimes circumstance may force you to act out…but still you know!

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Death also happened quite young. You could have 14 children and expect 6 of them to become adults if you were lucky (this was back when diabetes and many other diseases were fatal).

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Death happened really young, because back then, hygiene was not really practiced that much. Many children were susceptible to tuberculosis, cholera, etc. because they weren’t really vaccinated or practiced hygiene. May their souls rest in peace.

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Ah…, I’m asian so I’m not sure about Victorians culture
I have hear that many girl marry at young age back then too…
and age gap might not be problem in that time
because I was raised at this modern time so I can’t help but feel weird
It’s might not wrong back then
they are people at those era time anyway
I also kind of agree with crimby
my favorite japanese author Dazai Osamu
If you look in wiki about his life, his life is just a mess
many people don’t like him
some dislike him but like his work
his work is great, and he is famous japanese author
but when focus on his life or who he is,
it become another matter

well, anyway this discussing is good
I like talking about literature

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