Is Gender Dysphoria a Disorder?

I think it can result in disorders due to lack of support & understanding, but is not itself a disorder.

If this is too controversial or gets trolled, then lock but keep up please.

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The disorder lies in society.

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A thousand times this. If people weren’t at a significantly increased risk of assault based on how they look, they would probably care a lot less about how their appearance.

I think it’s important to recognize that cis people can also feel gender dysphoria. Cis women also get laser hair removal, breast augmentation, labioplasties, etc. Cis men can get chest sculpting surgery, penile augmentation, drink protein shakes to bulk up, etc. Those are treatments for gender dysphoria. We even see it a lot on here, with guys who develop gynomastia. Cis people just don’t get gender dysphoria as a diagnosis because it is considered normal to want to look a certain way if you were born a woman or a man.

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I don’t know but I always felt it was weird to want to be someone else. There is also race-dysphoria as Michael Jackson had. May be a disorder after all. I am not sure.

That’s where you’re wrong. Dysphoria is not wanting to be someone else. It’s feelibg like your looks don’t match who you are.

And MJ didn’t have racial dysphoria. He had vitiligo, his skin was whitening, so he used whitening cream to even it out.

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The epistemology of it resembles that of delusion a lot. But it’s a matter of convention as for how to deal with that. We can perfectly decide not to think of it as pathological.

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Where you hear this, theres a thing called whitening cream?

Yeah there’s skin creams that whiten the skin

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He also had cosmetic surgeries to alter his facial features.

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But looks define who you are. I cannot say I am a dark skinned woman even though I want to feel like so. Looks define who I am. I am my body. I also cannot say I am a mentally healthy person because I want to deny my illness and would like to be healthy, My body and biological processes define who I am. My two cents.

That depends on whether you believe in souls or not. One way of describing being trans is the feeling that your souls gender doesn’t match the body it got

I believe the soul is genderless. If there exists reincarnation, we might have to be able to jump from gender to gender, from race to race, and from species to species otherwise the system of reality wouldn’t be fair.

Folks, the discussion of souls is heading into religious territory. Just a reminder that religious discussions are not permitted on the forum.

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Ok. We’ll be neutral.

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Or you can just change the language. Is consciousness sexed?
Are thoughts separated into boy thoughts and girl thoughts?

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Ok, folks, then imagine this. You look in the mirror, and feel discomfort at the way you look. Maybe your hair is too long, your beard too scriffy, maybe the shirt isn’t flattering. You know you would feel better about your looks if you changed those things.

Now imagine it’s things that can’t easily change, like your breasts, your lips, your hips, your genitals.
Imagine you feel such strong discomfort at the reminder that those aren’t the way you want, that you spiral into depression and self loathing.
That’s gender dysphoria.

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Let’s put it another way.
It’s not because of genetics that someone becomes trans. There are men with a deep macho voice (sign of a lot of testosterone) that want to be women, and women who have always been feminine and that during their teens have become transgender.
If it is masculine and feminine hormones that make someone think in a gendered way then it isn’t plausible to say that the brain structure influences gender. There must be something else.
Maybe being trans-gender or trans-race or whatever is influenced by external factors.

Isn’t that insecurity about their bodies? There are people who perfectly conform with their gender and still want to change it, aka. those who put implants to look like monsters. It may be rebelliousness, or environmental factors that contribute to being trans.

@Tomas I feel like you equate gender and sex a lot in your response. Aren’t they separate things?

They aren’t to my understanding.