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Ilovethaifood's news and musings 2020 edition

Hello esteemed readers and fellow posters. This thread is meant to express and share some thoughts from yours truly. It is also meant for others to share their thoughts and commentary on anything found in this thread. I hope to start an intelligent, engaging, and civil discussion with fellow posters while sharing some insight into the thinking processes of we who have been diagnosed with any readers who might browse the forums. I myself spent a couple of years reading the forums before registering as a forum poster. I’d like to encourage anyone in a similar situation to consider joining so that they may voice their opinions and find support as well.

Everyone is welcome to post their thoughts or comments. All I ask is that we refrain from breaking any rules, follow the forum guidelines, and please remain considerate of each other if their are disagreements, remember there is a person on the other side of the monitor/phone. Not everyone will always agree with each other about everything, that is partly what makes having a conversation interesting.

Lastly, I’d like to warn people that certain talking points might be triggering to some while not to others, keep that in mind should a discussion begin. Have respect for your fellow posters, ultimately, we all know what it feels like to struggle with a mental illness/condition and in this, I hope we can relate.

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So I’ll kick things off. While avoiding political discussion, it can be said that the U.S. economy is improving. Personally, I don’t think it necessarily has so much to do with current leadership as much as it has to do with the legalization of cannabis in 11 states. There are articles that proposed the legalization of cannabis would have economic benefits. Here is an article written 15 years ago about an economist who suggested it would help.

Note: The article is written about the economist and not by him. I don’t endorse any political opinions of his or the publication’s. Also, I do not smoke cannabis and am not suggesting anyone should. This particular talking point is meant to lead into the next.

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Thai Food!

I’m having trouble sleeping tonight.

I drank too much caffeine. :frowning:

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So now that we’ve established that the legalization of cannabis has had a generally positive impact on the states in which it has happened, I’d like to speak about the cost of prescription drugs. My thoughts are that more or less in the period of 3 years since cannabis has been legalized for recreational use in California, the cost of prescription medications has gone up about 37%. (Alcohol sales have also lowered, the cost of law enforcement has lessened so it does not necessarily indicate a damaging trend, in fact if anything, it likely has more to do with corporate greed of pharmaceutical companies.)

So to stir up a bit of conversation (I know many of us in the United States are on a form of a disability program and some of us are covered when it comes to healthcare bu programs such as Medicare, Medicaid, MediCal, etc. but,) I’d like to ask if the cost of prescription medications has gone up for you?

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Aww man, I don’t drink coffee. In my experience with people who are big coffee drinkers, I’ve realized it makes them urinate often… so my advice… pee it out.:grin:

Just kidding. How are things, Monte? Are you having a rough night? How was your day overall, good or bad?

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Yeah, I’ve been drinking lots of water for the past few hours. :slight_smile:

I’m doing okay tonight though, thank you. I had a pretty awesome day though. I got my little hijo some kitty toys and played with him for a while.

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In California, the current governor is attempting a way to combat the increasing prices of prescription medications. This Thursday a proposal was put forth with the idea of making medications more affordable by effectively making a contract to for the state to produce generic prescription drugs. He likened it to Costco’s Kirkland brand to simplify it.

What are your thoughts? A good or bad idea?

Seems like a good way to put the added revenue from cannabis legalization to good use.

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I’m happy to hear you had an awesome day. I forgot I read you got yourself a cat! Hah really, animal companions feel less like pets and more like family for us sufferers, at least it seems that way to me.

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Oh yeah big dude! I’ve had my gatito for a while. :slight_smile:

Yeah he’s the light of my life. :sunny:

How’s that little cute doggie of yours?

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You must mean this monstrosity?

He’s doing alright. He decided to go sleep in my dad’s bed tonight.:grin:

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LOL!

That face cracked me up, thank you Thai.

Awww. He is a cutie.

:blush:

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That’s a pretty interesting proposal, @ilovethaifood. One thing is for certain:
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(I dunno if you remember this meme, but figured it worked here :smile:)

Without getting too political, a certain presidential candidate is looking towards Canada for purchasing cheaper prescription drugs. One of the hotly debated drugs is insulin, which can be ridiculously expensive for people here in the States. Canada would provide a purchasing loophole at a fraction of the cost-- I’m sure this would not only be helping people greatly in need of more affordable medication like insulin, etc., but it could also build trade relations between our two countries:

Going back to your point, the California Proposal would undoubtedly help so many people in need of medications at affordable prices, while also providing some economic benefit for the state (new industry, new jobs, etc.). The California Model seems to be exclusively for Californians though, which begs the question: will, and can, other states implement a pharmaceutical marketplace to alleviate the costs of prescription medication for their residents?

Interesting developments, for sure!

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I would say it depends on several factors. First, the proposal has to go through a legislative process before it is is actually implemented. Second, whatever benefits it may bring have to be analyzed in order to attain sufficient data to even begin the conversation about implementing such a proposal in other states. Lastly, it is clear to me that pharmaceutical corporations would selectively choose measured facts to push on media outlets and have lobbyists influence media government leaders by offering to donate campaign funds for whatever position they may be running for as is often the case with big businesses and their strategies when it comes to government laws and regulations.

There are a few other more political and cultural factors but I purposefully omitted them so as not to break any forum rules.

The article you presented about insulin and U.S. citizens going to Canada for treatment at a fraction of the cost was interesting. Coincidentally, it is not uncommon for U.S. citizens living in cities near the border to go to Mexico for medical treatment, whether it be dental or even surgical in some cases.

What I found interesting about the article you shared was specifically the part about acquiring insulin from Canada. It leaves me wondering where exactly are our prescription drugs coming from, why these corporations are allowed to find tax loopholes, and why the prices on these drugs are not regulated to at least be similar to the value of the currency of a country in comparison to the United States, or in simple terms, why are they allowed to extravagantly raise drug prices in the U.S. for the same drug that can be purchased elsewhere without any real repercussions? From my understanding, many prescription drugs are produced outside the country and so U.S. laws have little effect.

I honestly think it is because certain corporations hold a near monopoly on the market for the drugs they manufacture. My thoughts are that if the proposal in California is put into effect, there will be an agenda paid for by big pharmacological companies that will portray proposals such as this as somehow negative by implying that the government wants citizens to take “its” drugs and somehow that is an attack on capitalism and a free market economy, the idea that somehow the “deep state” big government wants to control what people take and do. Similar to what they’ve done with arguing government provided healthcare as a socialist idea as if it is somehow an attack on democracy and the republic of the U.S.

In other words, companies like Johnson + Johnson own a huge chunk of brand name pharmaceutical drugs (and a ■■■■ ton of everyday products marketed for hygiene). And corporations like that have enough money and leverage to not only influence legislation but also enough money to push an agenda on any particular cultural group in society. If you delve into it, Johnson + Johnson probably owns more than half the products in your bathroom.

The Unitrd States of America is a beautiful country where many civil liberties and freedoms are allowed for its citizens including the right to vote and run for office. It does come to a point though in which corporations fund campaigns not only for those running with a favorable view but also with the idea of a favor for favor. One other thing, really, I have never really heard of a working class person running for the presidency. It’s usually people who already have family wealth that run. But hey, anyone can be president… so how are members of the electoral college elected? :wink:

“And boom goes the dynamite!” :sweat_smile:

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Global conglomerates have influence over many governments in the world. There are pesticides being used in agriculture that are not good for our health and those who live near the fields in which they are used! The majority of processed food contains artificial preservatives that have a negative effect on generational health both physically and mentally! The long term effects hadn’t been researched enough! Houses are going up in price, homeowners are happy but a large portion of millennials will never be homeowners! There’s something in the water! The wolf is coming! The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

It’s no wonder why I was diagnosed a schizophrenic with all these insane conspiracy theories.

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@ilovethaifood. I can’t pretend to understand all this stuff but it is interesting.

As far as millennials never owning houses. There are ways to find inexpensive homes to buy. My house cost me a total of $10,000. Of course I had help finding my house.

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Agree with this whole-heartedly.

And like you said, you know lobbyists and big pharma will spin such proposals to seem un-American, and anti-Capitalist-- when in fact, said proposals like California’s would be helping millions of Americans while creating a new state market for medications.

You’re also right about Johnson & Johnson, although I will say that perhaps public confidence in the brand has suffered due to several recent lawsuits:

But hey, corporate lawyers are paid the big bucks for a reason, and I’m sure Johnson & Johnson’s holdings extend far beyond our bathrooms.

If you want to fan the flames, check out Nestle:


(Not a news site, but it does give a rundown on some of the scummy ■■■■ Nestle has done in the past, and continues to do today).

Everything you mentioned are real social issues, @ilovethaifood. But rest assured that there are others out there who are just as passionate about studying the whys and the hows and making a change.

…But yea, sometimes it be like that :laughing:

Do you watch John Oliver at all? You might like his show:

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Are you serious? Child labor?

I think that probably every company in America has their pockets in dirty deals someway so what does one do? We have to buy clothes. We have to buy food (Nestle). We don’t however have to buy diamonds.
@Schztuna. Check this out
https://www.hrw.org/countries

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Manufacturing is down.

Nestle CEO says water shouldn’t be free.

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And that need facilitates a monopoly, which is why they’re so nasty. But there are other choices besides, say, Nestle or Johnson & Johnson that people can make.

There’s an app called Buycott which helps inform users about the company and whether or not they have political leanings and dealings in unethical behaviors:

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