sometimes humans have no sense.
I’m in Canada, so my Hospital stay cost nothing. However, since I have a brain injury I was also seeing a neuropsych around that time. She was very expensive, so I had to stop seeing her after a while. But she is nice enough to help me out anytime I need it, and charges me nothing
Here, it is a long-standing system.
After WW2, resistants lobbied to apply a very humanist program.
It worked well.
(The public insurance is simply called “social security”.) .
Social security reimburses a very large part of all the care but some less well than others.
That’s why health mutuals exist.
Disabled people like us are recognized as such and we have specific rights.
Everything’s not perfect but it is better than nothing at all.
On the other hand, in USA I have the feeling that since the election, you have very social law/decisions made by US administration, and
there is also lot of investment to have a better future for everyone.
Here in Europe, it’s an “austerity” time, I don’t know how to translate. Don’t know how long it will lasts too.
Basically, there is cost cutting at all costs to the detriment of people.
It is said here in my country that social rights are “eaten away” little by little.
Don’t know if it’s totally true.
We will see what will happen in the future here, but we will probably soon elect our own populist guy (or girl)
Fun fact : she looks like and act like others populists persons.
(But I’m sometimes pessimistic)
That said, historically, France remains a very, very social country where inequalities are somewhat reduced.
However, there are also very very rich and very poor people, especially among the refugees.
I could talk for hours about this.
No i didnt i applied for financial assistance andngot it paid for
@Follement I’m curious to hear your views on socialism as a system. I’ve read about it, but would be curious to see how it works on the ground for everyday people
We have had a “socialist” president, but socialist party here was a kind of soft-social-democracy pro-capitalism like in GB with Tony blair or Gerhard Schröder in Germany.
We have had a “real” socialist president (François Mitterrand) in 1981, it was a time more favorable to the Leftist.
Well, I don’t know what kind of system i would like to have.
Anyway I will not go further, because I already approach the limit on the forum.
I would just say that I really appreciate what the current US administration is doing.
I just think that the American socialists are much more socialists than the French socialists now.
By the way, French social security is a kind of socialist system where everyone contributes (companies, employees, etc.) and everyone is protected. This is what works best in France.
The retirement system is a bit similar.(dividing system) . Everyone contributes, everyone get the retirement pension.
My English is sometimes pretty bad, sorry
I’m so sorry, sometimes I just can’t seem to stop talking about these topics. It’s stronger than me.
Hey no worries, don’t apologize. I love reading about different schools of thought. I don’t tend to get into the dirty pool of politics. I don’t pick sides, but I am interested in the mechanics of their systems
I’ve always wondered why someone doesn’t take the best of all systems, and create one that actually works.
We don’t pay for hospitalizations in Canada exept if we get extras like a semi-private or private room. In my case I get private rooms because being pent up with strangers exacerbates my mental illness. You don’t have to pay for a private room if it is assigned because of medical needed, only if you upgrade. Even then the room will likely not be availble.
The only time I have had a private room, is when I had heart attack during a grand mal seizure. Apparently, I had to be put under restraint. I have no idea if I punched somebody, or whatever happened. I would always be blacked out for 6 hours after a seizure. Walkin and talkin, but nobody driving the bus
So you also get upgraded if you’re a total spaz LOL
I think if people want a country that acts. (I understand that this is not the case for everyone.) It starts with the levying of taxes, investment, and redistribution of wealth. I am not giving my opinion, I think it’s a fact that a country that wants to act is giving itself the means.
I can imagine that tax rate was very different during Rooswelt’s presidency compared to another, more contemporary one.
I think that here there is a different way of dealing with money, capitalism, etc. I couldn’t tell. Maybe we here have a problem with money. (maybe a cliché, I don’t know.).
Maybe it’s more “administrative” in my country.
What I can say is that the Communists and Socialists (with the National Council of Resistance) at the end of WW2 had a big role. And then there were also major reforms.
But I don’t think everything is going well here, far from it.
I do believe that different economic and political systems can be good on different aspects.
This is so true. My friend and I were just having a discussion tonight, about what our leaders really need to do. But of course, it’s not always going to be popular with everyone, but things really need to change here as well.
Neither party takes the rational, responsible course.
I’m in the US. Been hospitalized without insurance was 15k for a 5 day stay. With private insurance without meeting my deductible it was 6k for a 6 day stay and finally with Medicaid it’s completely free. I’ve been lucky enough to have found financial assistance to pay for my bills when I had no insurance and private insurance.
I am thrilled to hear that you guys in USA getting finally public sosial insurance.
15k sounds horrific.
I would be in grate troubles if i had such bill.
On the other hand,
In Israel, although we, the disabled, get most of treatmenf low prise or free, we get paid a very low allowance, lower then minimum.
But we also receive a significant discont on state taxes
In mine there are two types one public and other private, Its how one can choose and yeah I have never been hospitalised, but about to in a private one, which was 25k for a month. The pdoc fee in public was 10 for which I had been and in some hospital its free.
The highest I paid was for psychologist for 1hr session 2k and it really got be angry was he was yawning, then I said to self he is trying to say something.
Have you guys been in this situation when the psychologist yawn while talking to them seriously after charging so much?
After which I have not gone to a psychologist and his last session pissed me off as he gave an example story.
How much do I pay? If I had to go down that road, my answer is “way too goddamned much.” Insurance picks up 90% for first 30 days, and I pick up remaining 10%, which comes to about $150/day. I’m in the US (obviously, just look how we pay).
We don’t pay here in Greece
here in Belgium i don’t think i payed a lot… most of it came from healthcare. But tbh i don’t remember what i payed myself.
It’s free here too.