I don’t interact with any people IRL for whom ‘correct’ use of pronouns to define them is of paramount importance.
If I did I’d rapidly flounder with the ever increasing list of terms people want to be addressed by . That is not to say gender-neutral pronouns are bad. They may serve a useful purpose . However there is only so much information a human brain can store.
A shortened,universal list of gender neutral pronouns would make it much easier for such pronouns to be used.
I agree. “They” isn’t really cutting it because people get confused, and I can’t even figure out how to pronounce some of the gender neutral pronouns that I’ve seen people choose, to the point where I suspect that some people are just trolling by choosing the strangest, not conjugate-able, barely English ass pronouns. Plus, there are no gender neutral versions of ma’am or sir, Mr. or Mrs., mom or dad, waiter or waitress, bride or groom, etc. We definitely need a better, more intuitive, universal system. Ideally, each pronoun would have a specific definition; one for agender, one for nonbinary, one for bigender, one for intersex, etc.
I think all this stuff is stupid. I was born a girl. Whether I’m LGBTQ or not I’m still genetically a girl.
You don’t know how others are feeling. The gender that you were assigned at birth matches the way you perceive yourself, and I’m glad that that’s the case for you, but many others weren’t so lucky. Some people have gender dysphoria. Some people feel more comfortable in their skin when they look and feel genderless. You don’t have to understand it. You don’t even have to agree with it, but you do have to respect it.
lol.
You two are having a go at it today haha
What? Having a go? Okay, am I missing something? Because I can’t seem to have any sort of discussion with anyone on this forum without being called “aggressive.” Like, I’m not timid, but it’s not like I just hop around the forum picking fights just for the sake of picking fights. What Loke said was ignorant, plain and simple. I won’t apologize for bringing it to her attention.
Lol no man, I meant you and Firemonkey haha.
Im chillaxed !!
May be a delusion but I theorize I was female in many past lives. So I kinda consider myself a bit of transgender. Even if I am 50% masculine 35% gender neutral and 15% feminine to put some numbers on it or something 
As well as being only interested in women for sex.
I think everyone is a little different from one another when it comes to gender appropriation and sexuality and stuff.
No one is 100% masculine or 100% feminine.
Everyone is a little androgynous. Maybe I don’t understand it right but that’s my take on it.
That said I’m a ‘HE’
I feel my seeking for “ego loss” and facing inner reflections and I’m very sensitive and emotional were/are all feminine things on my side.
That said you’d probably think I’m pretty dang masculine if you met me. I don’t think I am overly masculine due to a balance more than anything and embracement of my feminine side
Terence McKenna would always talk about how male dominance is bad. We need a balance. I found that a nice insight.
Gender dysphoria is one thing and needs to be taken seriously. An ever increasing list of gender neutral pronouns is another matter. On purely practical terms remembering a lengthy and ever increasing list of such pronouns is damn hard. Should there be gender-neutral pronouns ? -yes. Should there be a sensible amount of such pronouns that the average person can cope with?-also yes.
Yeah, they’re not one in the same. I feel like they’re sort of linked because a lot of the self-perception of being the wrong gender often results, or is rooted, in gender dysphoria, but you can have gender dysphoria without being trans. But I feel like if we as a society sat down and came up with a comprehensive list of gender pronouns, each with a specific meaning, then it would probably be easier to remember and identify ourselves without having a long list of random words on a page that could mean pretty much anything, you know? Plus, we could sort of reclaim the plural usage of the pronoun “they,” which will likely begin to present several issues with learning an already nonintuitive language.
If you think this, try calling the next guy you see she.
Neopronouns are a challenge to get used to, but it’s well worth the effort if you know anyone who uses them. The amount of discomfort non-binary and transgender people feel at being called by the wrong pronouns is a constant, low-level pain they have to face on a daily basis. If you take the time to practice them, you’ll gain the ability to treat a whole segment of the population with respect and dignity.
There is an app you can use that helps you learn how to conjugate different pronouns with real-world examples. I use this whenever I have a friend who switches pronouns or goes by pronouns I’ve never heard before.
Usually, as long as you’re clearly trying, people are patient and appreciative, even if you mess it up sometimes.
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I often call girls guys.
I think everyone does!
It’s easier in Finland. He/she is both hän.
That way, nobody gets insulted.
Note the use of ‘paramount’ . Although it’s something you shouldn’t do , there are worse things you can say to a person .Obviously I wouldn’t call a he ‘she’ and a she ‘he’ if I knew they were cisgender. If they were transsexual I wouldn’t call a transman ‘she’ or a transwoman ‘he’.
I’ve been called she a few times over the telephone . I didn’t take offense. I was just puzzled as to why people would think me female when so obviously I’m not .
I have no issue with such pronouns, other than a one of being able to remember a long list of such pronouns . To me it’s a 2 way street respect the use of neo-pronouns , but on the other hand respect the fact that people may struggle to remember such a long list even if they have no dislike of the use of such pronouns .
Respect works both ways. A shortened list of such pronouns agreed upon by people who are non-binary/transgender would be a way of respecting people who are non-binary/transgender , while respecting how hard it can be to remember a longer list of such pronouns .
Sometimes I feel like trans people take offense too easily. I hang out in a gaming Discord, and there’s a lot of trans/non-binary people there. I mainly listen to voices, so I’ve misgendered people a few times when their voices weren’t obviously trans. (Transwomen tend to do some thing with their voices, it’s recognisable).
There’s also this person who calls themself princess but throws a fit if you say ‘she’.
How tf am I supposed to know. Princess is a she-word as far as I’m concerned?
I know being misgendered is annoying, especially if the other person isn’t even trying to get it right.
But I do feel like some transpeople need to lighten up an cut some slack for those of us who are clueless and confused as to what pronoun goes where.
To be safe, I just use ‘they’ when I’m in that discord. Nobody seems to take offense at that, and it shows I’m aware people’s genders aren’t always what they sound like.
The whole point of neopronouns is to be less limiting than current vocabulary allows. Limiting it again really doesn’t help any trans or non-binary people. Besides, then you would have to get into which neopronouns were acceptable and which weren’t. The whole reason neopronouns sprang up in the first place is because cis people couldn’t get on board with the singular they.
I agree. In this case, it would be you respecting the person by making the effort to learn and properly use their pronouns, and them respecting you by being patient with you as you take the time to learn. It only takes 20 days or so of practicing before it becomes second nature.
To practice, Mr. Star and I like to tell stories about our friends to each other using the proper pronouns and correcting each other when we slip up. That way we can work on getting it right on our own, and we are more successful when we speak to our friends.
So you’re not a believer that respect should be a 2 way street ? There should be consideration for non-binary/trans people , while having no consideration for the genuine difficulties cis people can have in remembering a long list of such pronouns .
I think you must have typed that before my second reply?