I’m watching lockup cause I got nothing better to do and they show all these guys that really seem disturbed. I mean one guy sliced himself so his balls were hanging out. Ok, I know this is a horrible story, but wouldn’t it be better to give these guys with emotional problems some meds?
Love that show.
We do medicate those guys.
What we’re seeing in that show is what prison does to people,
Not mental illness.
Most of them are medicated,
They’ve just developed weird coping skills to survive in such a brutal and inhumane environment.
You say they are medicated… can you elaborate?
Inmates are treated for their conditions just like we are.
Prisons would rather have medicated inmates than chaos, so they take mental health very seriously,
Staff doctors work around the clock to cover for the massive need in our system.
If I weren’t so weird today I would try to do some research for you…
I do not know why american jails are SO bad it’s shocking really.
So prisons in other countries aren’t bad?
Not in the UK no.
Depends here in Italy they are very bad (12 people in a cell all day without activities).
Jail is a behavior control. It is implemented to deter behavior not in the criminals themselves so much as the children that are growing up to become would anarchist crooks and the mothers that grow up to become anarchist mothers. It’s a like a advertising campaign, but instead of saying buy this or vote for me, they say don’t ever do anything to be put here.
I’ve noticed that when judges, police, and criminal systems start to pity the anarchists over the people in general especially over the victims and victims’ families, the anarchy continues to escalate. What it advertises to the criminals is that you have a chance of becoming successful in criminal enterprise, and what it advertises to the rest of the people is that the law system does not care about their safety. In other words they end the campaign to dissuade criminal behavior.
BUT if the pleasure and excess confinement strategy were effective, then this is an informational behavior modifier which is different than a chemical one. By the way the avoidance of jail is an informational behavior modifier as it has nothing to do with chemicals, and in the case of people observing people being sent away it is not physical except for the people being sent away. But in the case of the environment where they are sent that is informational neither chemical nor physical. The physical aspect is just handcuffs, swat team, bars, walls. The campaign and the jail environment is informational.
So it’s three points
By the way the chemical can easily be argued a physical dissuader or behavior modifier as it can be argued that it induces a mental prison for the mind, and at that point in the argument logic will begin to shine a light on what that subjective environment is informationally because if the environmental conditions are sole informational, then the mental conditions are as well as environmental experiences are subjective thus informational. That would be the argument in courts and in many books.
Personally I think that inducing people with chemicals to cause a behavior modification is something that is akin to throwing people away like they were garbage but in a slower, indirect way. And the reason why I think that way is because they could simply be informing them instead.
Behavior is a mechanical and informational process. I think to much emphasis is taken on the mechanical with drugs and restraints while offering now informational ingraining. I’m not suggesting that people get let out for anything that is in regard to this information, but what I am suggesting is that people be offered there lives in the first place by making them pass through campaigns of informing them about the logic apparatus in their bodies; brain organs.
It seems to me that if people know how their brains worked, they would not be as motivated to “misbehave.” And if they knew this much, then they would not commend those that do misbehave which is often much to do with misbehavior or any behavior in the first place.
People behave and acquire knowledge sets and skill acquisitions because of general fear, death is possible, and social incentive. In jail there is a lot of fear, death, and social incentive. It causes criminals to become more criminalistic culturally before they get out.
If they were to turn the tables, create the logical conclusion that they acquire less of what they hate and more of what they want if they can prove they understand the logic of their own logic limb on their necks, then eventually the “culture inside” would turn.
Once that kind of culture is turned inside, then eventually it becomes so shallow that it is easy to spot the “outsiders” who are ignorant as who are still misbehaving, so things become that much more effective in the “shallows” than in the abysses like they are now. When something is so common culturally, it becomes impossible to handle, and it becomes the norm. It forces the hands of those that don’t even want to participate in it or who wanted to change for the better even when they have a life sentence.
So it’s a matter of busting a collective majority up, and undermining the criminal culture democratically. Democracy is rule by majority collective.
After the collective is turned inside, it turns outside as well.
Anywhere there is a collective being turned by informing them about the logic functions of their logic limbs this will in turn cause a cultural shift that emanates from there. The most logical place to do this would be where there are the most perceive problems such as the criminal detention/rehab and the mentally ill. It should be in school too.
What I wonder is if this were done, would it destroy society?
In the way of disorders I don’t believe that behavior is as much the question as information vs. ignorance is. Trying to solve a behavior problem with chemistry which 90% of the time is purely informational conditioning not mechanical is inhumane. It’s even irrational.
But you really have to look at the source of the rationale when breaking down the policy, and look for what are the causes for that rationale to begin with not as a fairness and identity of who’s who behind it as much as what are the concepts, effects, resources etc.
This is the information technology era, and specializing in informing people on the cheap is a concrete foundation to the new civilization that is just now lighting up forever after our generation. The IT future is the only future. It doesn’t go back to a non-IT civilization.
So the time and means of informing patients and inmates ingraining logic into the daily rudiments can’t be too hard now for even high school or college students to figure out. It would be immensely cheaper.
And I think that some people in this thread are looking for that human and cheaper means of behavior modification but haven’t considered this yet.
Or at least a band-aid for the ball-cutter.
In the US anyway, they’re supposed to provide meds. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t. That sz inmate in CA who died recently after a day or more of full restraint was unmedicated, because he refused it, and the jail screwed up because there was a court order for meds. Jails have less stringent rules than prison for health care though, because they’re supposed to be short term. It’s part of why CA is sending many inmates from prison to jail; it’s cheaper.
The antipsychotic drugs reduce or eliminate emotions a lot. I know I take one. They should reduce criminality.