David Icke & Conspiracy theory

Interesting - & you may be right - you may also be wrong.

Science would agree with me and they are the most thoroughly verified crowd that’s out there.

You either want there to be more, or you fear that there is more.

Either way you’ll never really find anything concrete. You will have to chose to believe what suits you best.

for me it’s all entertainment. I don’t believe in any of it.

I think there might be some spiritual, metaphorical truth to at least his reptilian upper class theory. Maybe to a few other things too.

But if he has some kind of energy sense or visions, then I think he is misinterpreting things in a major way.

Science is great - Does that mean from our current levels of scientific understandings that we conclude certain fundamental things about the nature of the Universe/Reality? Like materialism etc. i personally take issue with using scientific materialism as an explanation of reality - It’s Not - it only understands a fraction of things. There obviously is more - what the details are is another question?

Alright… If interdimensional travel and assumedly time travel were real. Why isn’t there signs of intelligence everywhere?

I mean eventually given enough time wouldn’t they decide to travel back and get the show started earlier. If only to further progress things by their own times.

We’re totally ■■■■■■■ alone down here, and we’re the most intelligent life forms we are aware of. We are the highest forms of life in this solar system.

Do people not see how cool that is?

Is the hierarchy construct so deeply imbedded into our nature that we have to create things above us to keep us in line?

Protons neutrons electrons photons. No telepathy, or telekinesis, or shape shifting, or interactions between separate physical planes.

There would be verified evidence of it. That’s how science works.

The only real possibility is if you look at quantum mechanics, but there still ain’t anything more complicated than subatomic particles popping in and out of existence there. Not even full atoms.

How would something change its chemical arrangement and physical structure through conscious will.

No reptoids. That’s for sure.

I’m a fan of materialism. It’s safe, and the only evidence of anything beyond that is just speculation. No answers.

Within certain areas this is what some people would debate - But we’re back with the proof question. It’s a very big & old Universe out there.

This is a serious area of contention within all this. Materialism is based on assumption, it’s Not scientifically proved.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/06/05/distinguished-scientists-gather-to-emphasize-matter-is-not-the-only-reality/

http://www.opensciences.org/about/manifesto-for-a-post-materialist-science

If there are larger systems, it won’t be proved from the pov of a sub system. You can’t prove non-physical reality with materialistic science. & just because we don’t yet know, doesn’t mean that there isn’t more to it all?

I chose to disregard the spirit because I prefer to rot and die. To make the most out the life I know I’ll have. Materialism is realistic.

Your disregarding the reality that things beyond the material world cannot interact with it otherwise the particle physists would be all over that ■■■■.

People like to dream, but we’d get more done if everyone just woke up.

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i think that is very debatable.

Believe in the materialistic view of reality - if that is what works for you then fair enough. i don’t think it’s true.

As soon as it’s understood it would become a physical reality and just an extension of materialism.

They are probing as deep as they can into the nature of this place, with real scientific experiments not theoretical speculation. Both are necessary to progress but one is a lot more diluted than the other.

What is it your searching for man? Some higher truth or meaning to this place?

If it could interact it’d be documented.

It’d become a science all in itself.

Ghost hunters, psychics, that kind of stuff never holds up under real investigation.

Again it depends on levels of proof/evidence.

i disagree that a discovery by materialistic science of the non-physical would make it physical. Is consciousness physical?

i’m searching for a deeper resolution/answer to certain things.

I believe consciousness is totally physical

At least you realise it’s a belief.

Why would the brain be so complex if consciousness could exist without it?

Doesn’t answer the question as to the nature of consciousness.

You having a different opinion puts my knowledge on the table as just being another opinion.

I have a deep feeling and trust that I’m am just electrochemical nonsense in a vast nueral net housed inside my skull. When the power goes out I’ll no longer exist.

There is no evidence that it is metaphysical.